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Built about 1929 for the National Register of Historic Places listed building where it has been ever since it was delivered. It had the hammers replaced some time before I got involved, and I replaced the strings and regulated the action. It has a long history, but a very simple one. So basically, nothing but good upkeep and tuning.

There is another, perhaps more historic building where I tune a Steinway D, although it is newer than this one. I was able to find a recording of that piano made in the 1970s, before I got involved. It sounded awful. It sounds much better now.

Good upkeep, and good tuning accomplish more than all the fancy frills that people want to sell you.


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The performers are really excellent. The piano is out of tune.


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Well, the fact that you could not say whether or not it has a new soundboard, hybrid stringing, or Whiz-Bang Duplex Scaling means that either those things have no significance, or your ears are so bad that you could not tell. smile

By the way, when are you going to post a recording of one of your pianos? I tried your website once, and my browser said the recordings were so old that they could not be played.


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BDB, My ears are good enough to hear out of tune. It could well be that your tuning is old and does not represent your skills. I have no way of knowing. I do know that the tuning theories you have promoted here are not mainstream, or even espoused by anyone other than you.

My work has been peer reviewed for decades.

I do enjoy and value your basic instinct to find the simplest way. But I am not convinced you have fully grasped what a piano is supposed to do in music.


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Oddly enough, she is one of the few people to complain about a tuning that I did, but neither of them complained that night. The other time was a spinet that was being used, and she was entirely justified, because I had worked to improve the bass on it, and there was a lot of pushback from the piano. It sounded a lot better the next time I tuned it, after it had a chance to settle down. In any case, people can decide for themselves whether it was out of tune or not.

It seems that you do not want people to judge your work on this board. All we can do is take your word for it. Or not.


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BDB. the piano sounds "meh" to me, but so does the cello. If the microphone seen in the video is the only one recording, that may explain a lot - I don't think the recording allows a kind hearing of either instrument. The lower bass sounds turgid to me, but whether that impression would linger on an in person listening?


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Well, the recordings of pianos that you have posted here do not sound like anything to me.

(Oh, wait, there was the Paulello one that sounded awful, I think.)

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Whether due to the recording or not, I find the tone a little thin in the midrange and bass on the piano in the video BDB provided. Particularly in the opening measures, where the tone sounds harsh and lacking body. It's better at quiet dynamic levels, but tends to sound thin as the dynamics grow.

And here's a recording from a doctoral student's rehearsal run through of Brahm's 3rd piano sonata, lest I be accused of the heinous crime of offering an opinion without providing evidence of my own work. The only note I'll make is the the recording itself is a bit bass heavy. Have at.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0ia8cwpnh...ro%20maestoso-Johannes%20Brahms.mp3?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/312tjol5k...%20espressivo-Johannes%20Brahms.mp3?dl=0


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Link does not work, Adam.

BDB, the merits or deficits of my work or your work have no bearing on the other. Each stands alone to be judged on their merits.

A number of the unisons sounded a bit on the wet side.


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Adam,
Really Beautiful performance. As you mentioned, the bass was a little boomy, and i did hear some voicing issues on forte playing in bass and octaves 5 and 6, but that would just be a very minor issue compared to the overall enjoyment of the recording.
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Sound comparisons would need to be made without dampers???
Crazy. Hammers sound like hickory. Put the dampers in and lets hear the comparison, isn't that easy.
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Adam,
What are the make, size ,and age of the piano played?


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Craig,

1993 Steinway D (former C&A instrument). It was rebuilt about 9 years ago.


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Originally Posted by adamp88
Whether due to the recording or not, I find the tone a little thin in the midrange and bass on the piano in the video BDB provided. Particularly in the opening measures, where the tone sounds harsh and lacking body. It's better at quiet dynamic levels, but tends to sound thin as the dynamics grow.

Not that it's worth much at all, but my opinion of the piano linked by BDB is in agreement with Adam.

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The hammers on the piano that I linked to are older than the entire piano Adam linked to. I would like to hear his piano accompanying a cello.


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Adam - does this retired C & A piano do double duty as an orchestral and solo piano? In places, the voicing skates on the ragged edge of excessive brilliance at the expense of color, and seems less well suited for solo work. Have you alone been able to shepard the voicing alone since the rebuild, or are building on the work of others who preceded you?

There is much to like about this instrument, the bass has real presence and power.


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Originally Posted by adamp88
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1993 Steinway D (former C&A instrument). It was rebuilt about 9 years ago.
Adam - What a great piano! It's got that growling NY S&S bass, it sings in the tenor and mid-range, I particularly liked the way it sang from c5 up a 12th or so around 4:13 in the performance, and, yes, the top IS brilliant - but sounded quite controllable to me. I heard absolutely NO damper swoosh, so it's even got quiet dampers.

I found the recording a little bright. I suspect AKG or Neumann mics were used (they can have a bit of a presence boost in the upper mid-range) as opposed to something ruler flat like Schoeps... but then, I may be wrong publicly yet again.

When you(?) did the rebuild, did you keep the original board? Whatever, whoever, I think the results are outstanding.


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I'm sure the Doctoral student was delighted to have that piano to play on, and I hope he or she was successful in being awarded the Doctorate.

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