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Originally Posted by Mark_C
P.S. I just googled to see if there's anything online that says it's in that piece -- and there is.

It's a post on here, from 12 years ago, by me. grin
(I told that same story.)

Well it does mean to wake up in italian, so why not use it in a score ? After all, all musical italian terms are just usual words of the italian language.

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
P.S. I just googled to see if there's anything online that says it's in that piece -- and there is.

It's a post on here, from 12 years ago, by me. grin
(I told that same story.)

Perhaps it's time to move on? Just saying. No implied criticism intended. grin

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Originally Posted by CharlesXX
Perhaps it's time to move on? Just saying. No implied criticism intended. grin

Hey, it's only been 12 years!!


Actually 55 years. ha

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Hahaha, MarkC, unresolvable riddle there, OrangeSodaKing, PAF is a good one, next question: how to abbreviate 'Bénédiction de Dieu dans la solitude' or '...les sons et les parfums tournent dans l'air du soir'.


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From my days as an Algebra 1 teacher: DAMAIO

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How many have heard more than 100 of Scarlatti's Sonatas? So many of them are really terrific IMO.

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The answers....
(since I know y'all have been holding your breath) grin

gpbpdasaado:
"Grande Polonaise brillante, précédée d'un Andante spianato, avec accompagnement d'une orchestre"

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Pavane pour une infante défunte

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Gaspard de la nuit

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'grapolbripdans', that's our rather Icelandic sounding version here, the Ravel we just call 'the dead princess', gaspard we call: 'that piece', a certain Beethoven piece isn't part of our knowledge, the Chopin is called: oh, yeh'.


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Originally Posted by dolce sfogato
....the Chopin is called: oh, yeh'.

In the amateur competitions, among some of us the Bach-Busoni Chaconne is "Oh no." ha

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I agree that this is probably the case.

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Originally Posted by dolce sfogato
Hahaha, MarkC, unresolvable riddle there, OrangeSodaKing, PAF is a good one, next question: how to abbreviate 'Bénédiction de Dieu dans la solitude' or '...les sons et les parfums tournent dans l'air du soir'.

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
And, speaking of "dolce sfogato," what about.....

Musical 'instructions' that we associate with one particular piece....

Like: "dolce sfogato" (Chopin Barcarolle)

I can't think of any other ones. ha


Actually I can, but it's a nothing one:
"risvegliandosi"

I've only ever seen it in one piece.
Anyone know what it is?
(I mean, I know -- I'm just quizzing y'all.) grin
Actually not really "quizzing," but just curious.
I saw it in that one place, didn't know what it meant, didn't find it in the first music dictionary I looked in -- I did find a form of the word but that wasn't good enough grin -- and forever after, any time I came across a music dictionary and wondered if I should get it, I looked to see if that word was in there and it never was, which is why I never bought a music dictionary. ha

"Musical 'instructions' that we associate with one particular piece"...

"Inaferando" comes to mind for me (but wouldn't expect many to recognize it). However, many people probably have heard of Satie's "Comme un rossignol qui aurait mal aux dents"...which was itself a parody of some of the silly "instructions" that were creeping into music of the day (of which some of Scriabin's instructions probably qualify...especially after he switched to French).

I found "risvegliandosi" in the old thread (surprised that it was Beethoven!). Google Translate translates it to "wake up." For sure, if Beethoven used it, even if only once, it should be in every musical dictionary! ha

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Love that post!

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.....itself a parody of some of the silly "instructions" that were creeping into music of the day (of which some of Scriabin's instructions probably qualify...especially after he switched to French).

I wonder if you (being a Scriabin fanatic!) really think that about Scriabin's, uh, 'creative' instructions grin or if you're just being modest on his behalf!

I think any and all of those instructions of his are marvelous.
To me they're worthy of a book or something in themselves.

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just to refresh the subject: Scriabin, Valse op.38


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Originally Posted by dolce sfogato
just to refresh the subject: Scriabin, Valse op.38
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I love it so much I memorized it recently along with Poeme op.32, No. 1. The only two Scriabin pieces I play by heart. And I don’t play many other piano works by heart.

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
Originally Posted by scriabinfanatic
.....itself a parody of some of the silly "instructions" that were creeping into music of the day (of which some of Scriabin's instructions probably qualify...especially after he switched to French).

I wonder if you (being a Scriabin fanatic!) really think that about Scriabin's, uh, 'creative' instructions grin or if you're just being modest on his behalf!

I think any and all of those instructions of his are marvelous.
To me they're worthy of a book or something in themselves.

I think that there are different ways of thinking about them. There's a literal, practical/technical level where the pianist would ask what precisely is this instruction telling us to do differently in terms of dynamics, articulation, tempo, etc.? On that level, they are pretty silly to try to make sense of (and that's the level that Satie jabs at). But on another level, they're awesome...because they add a sort of literary mood-setting/mood-enhancing element/layer to the score...and preemptively clear up some of those "composer's intentions" questions that sometimes leave the door open for debate among pianists in other composers' works.

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This is seriously rare - and underrated. It was only published for the first time this century. I'd be surprised if anyone here has heard of it, let alone heard it:

You will be happy to learn that this features in music history textbooks nowadays as a part of the canon.

Part of the recent wave of diversity studies in music, I suppose—but surely if anything good comes out if, it's that this work is being taught and performed more often.

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Chopin Bolero, Op.19


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I’m not quite sure whether these meet the definition of ‘underrated’ (it seems like there are a few opinions about how to define the word).

I love this Barcarolle by Charles Tomlinson Griffes... pure musical magic:

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Latin American composers seem not to be played much in the US. Here are a couple lovely pieces by two Mexican composers:

Balada Mexicana by Manuel M Ponce

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And this haunting piece called Mirame mis ojos, by Melesio Morales, composed in 1866 after he learned of the sudden death of his 3 year old daughter.

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John Cage's "In A Landscape".


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