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You'll really have to try these out for yourself, safe in the knowledge that you can revert back to your original settings easily if you don't save the new ones. The three I mentioned seem to have the biggest and best effect without splitting hairs. There's a lot in pianoteq which is . . . .complex to some, and very timewasting.
Have fun! It's a great product..

Although in a recent thread about tweaking maximum performance out of Pianoteq 7 STAGE I failed to get a pleasing sound and gave up, I have recently been back to practicing on Pianoteq 7 in lieu of my Garritan CFX. After multiple days of playing exclusively Pianoteq, it think I became so used to its great playability, that when I went back to Garritan CFX, its playability felt not quite as refined. Although I still hear the "muffled" effect in Pianoteq's sound, somehow it has become more acceptable to me. I think I've reached a level of contentment that I couldn't reach before, and, through exclusively practicing with Pianoteq, have grown content with its sound.

So, this thread caught my attention. To see what the fuss was about, I loaded up the Ant. Petrof 275 (demo version) and played it. And, enjoyed it. Unless there is some reason not to do it, I'm going to upgrade to 7.3. Hopefully, this will provide me the demo version of the new Ant. Petrof Mistral.


I'm surprised at this, peterws! I find the German Steinway D, the New York Steinway D, the Ant. Petrof 225 and the Bechstein sufficiently distinct to easily note the differences. My experience is admittedly with STAGE with no tweaking except for Output settings of:

Sound Recording
Volume Slider = -9db
Dynamics Slider = 92db

With this minimal tweaking, the pianos sound sufficiently distinct that I do not consider them as sounding the same.

I wonder if your tweaking with the middle level version (I forget its name) has taken all the difference out of yours. Have you tried going back to their default, or near default, settings to see if you can like those sounds?

I am hearing enough difference that I am considering getting the new Petrof Mistral. I'm anxious to hear more demos of it on YouTube and to play its demo version in 7.3.

My 7.3 came with factory defaults, strangely. But I just tweak resonances and tuning mainly to achieve a more natural sound. I'll no doubt try again, but my 7.03 at the moment is sound. I did love the Petrof Mistral though.
Too much fiddling! Not enough work being done!

Ok, thanks for your input. Yesterday I listened to some demos of the Hammersmith and although it seems like a beautiful piano it sounds a bit bright to me. It's seems that they have a free version from time to time but that wasn't available at the moment. How would you describe it's general character?


Good to know. Yes, the VSL pianos seems like solid products. Can't decide which one to go for though:)



Thank you, the Garritan seems to be a hugely popular choice so I might give it a try. It's too bad there isn't many demo versions among the different VST choices.




That sounds good. I'm leaning towards either the Imperial or the 280VC. I like the more intimate sound of the 280VC due to the smaller room but I think I prefer the sound of the piano itself with the imperial. Have you tried the different VSL options?

I slipped off topic with the last post, sorry.......

I’ve read about ‘flying cars’ on this forum, and as far as I’m concerned, the ‘title’ of that thread had nothing to do with flying nor with cars; so no, you’re not ‘off topic’ in my book!

The truth is that there’s only so much one can say about any specific topic (especially anything with ‘Pianoteq’ in the title) before it turns into a war of the worlds: “Pianoteq is good”; “Pianoteq sucks”; “it’s still not there”; “sampling is obsolete”, etc...

Then it gets nerdy and overly technical, and suddenly I’m reading about Drake’s equation, the Pythagorean theorem, and how Einstein’s theory of relativity negates modeling on the notion that, all things being equal, nothing can exceed the speed of light; therefore, it is impossible to calculate the exact position of a particle that is here but also there simultaneously.

“It’s just not possible scientifically, so it must be some form of spooky magic at a distance”.


So no, you’re not off topic, but I digress!

I have both the 280VC (Full) and the Imperial (Standard) and I tend to use the Imperial quite a lot more. It sounds great both with speakers and headphones

Tbh I don't think that as tweaking. It will not change the sound at all, just the response to you playing it.

Now that has to be the under-statement of the year

The only reason folks may be hesitant to upgrade is if they have perfected their own custom presets or if they are in the middle of a recording project.

With major version updates like 7.3, instruments may be revoiced, and so custom presets are generally impacted. Even then, it's quite easy to switch back, so there is minimal risk.

Otherwise, there is simply no reason not to upgrade. The steady flow of improvements and progress are wonderful to behold.

I have to agree navindra about upgrading. Modartt might me making small progress but they are making progress. Now I have to find the pennies to buy the Petrof piano pack

You're very tolerant

I just curious about sampled library's for, if nothing else, educate myself for participating in the "modeling vs sampling debate" Now back to topic.

I've been playing the Petrof 284 Mistral for a couple of days now and I must say it's quite nice and rather different from the Ant. Petrof 275. The tone is clear and transparent and it has a very deep bass that is very solid but perhaps one could wish for the bass to "open up" with louder nuances. However I guess this is a Petrof characteristic and gives it a strong personality very different from Steinway or Yamaha. The treble is bright/light and singing. Over all a very nice instrument and a nice complement to the great Ant. Petrof.

Have a listen to Mistheria’s virtual unboxing:

That’s what a two-week sabbatical in the Himalayas will do to you!

You see, the monks showed me the way, for I was lost and could not find the resort.

“I am lost and cannot find my way (to the resort), can you help me?”, I asked.
The monks pointed at my heart -‘hello, I’m Pete’- as if asking “are you Pete?”
I nodded, indicating that indeed I was the name-tag placed around my heart, and I said again, “but you see, I’m lost”.

The monks pointed again, but this time they pointed straight at the resort, as if saying, “you idiot, the resort is right in front of you”!

I blushed, took off my name-tag, and nodded again, but this time as a sign of appreciation to the monks for ‘showing me the way’.

I’ve never been the same since, and now, I am indeed a very tolerant man.


Kumbaya,

Pete (a.k.a. Ben Dover).

Where did I put my kleenex? This brought tears to my eyes

I heard the monks are now using Organteq when they practice chant music. Heard it from a monk who heard it from a monk who heard it from a monk.......

Monks and Organs? My illusions are shattered!

Morgans?

I think the monks are content with monophony. No organs necessary.

Monks are actually pretty musically innovative and can do multiphonic singing:



And they have a sense of humor...

Was it a "Grand Illusion"