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I was at the Yamaha dealer today seriously considering purchasing the Yamaha S7X. The dealer mentioned that Bosendorfer has brought out a new model - the 230VC. There doesn't seem to be much on the internet about these yet though. It's interesting that it's 5cm longer than its non-VC counterpart, the 225.

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That’s Awesome!

First got word of a new, mid-size Concert Grand coming, in the video below (starting at the 2:00 mark)



I’ve been looking forward to more info on It


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ps - How did things go with the Yamaha S7X


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ps - How did things go with the Yamaha S7X

I've never actually played an S7X as there isn't one in Sydney, but I played the S6X and the C7X. Between the two of them, I think I can guess what the S7X will be like.

Comparing against the Fazioli 228, I didn't feel Fazioli was worth the extra money as it's a fairly plain sounding piano.

Bosendorfer on the other hand is unique and exotic, but double the price of the Yamaha. The only other option I think I would consider is saving for another year or so and getting a Bosendorfer 225 (or 230VC). At the dealer I was able to compare a Yamaha S6X with the Bosendorfer 214VC right next to it. One downside of the Bosendorfer, aside from the price, was that it felt like a less powerful, more polite piano compared to the Yamaha. Power if important to me as I like Russian piano concertos/sonatas like Rachmaninoff and Scriabin.

At the moment, seriously considering getting the S7X.

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Anddddddd... HERE IT IS:

New Bösendorfer 230VC

Just can't wait to check!!!


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Originally Posted by Sonepica
At the moment, seriously considering getting the S7X.

Per Your comments here, I’ve enjoyed following Your progression

You have a clear & specific idea, of What You’re looking for - That’s Excellent

The unfortunate Thing, has been the limited access, Your location gives You, to the Pianos You’re interested in

I wish You the Best, in finding Your next piano, & look forward to reading about It


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Originally Posted by trandinhnamanh
Anddddddd... HERE IT IS:

New Bösendorfer 230VC

Just can't wait to check!!!

Very Sexy!


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Originally Posted by Sonepica
It's interesting that it's 5cm longer than its non-VC counterpart, the 225.

Also - The 225 has 92 Keys & is wider

Will be very interesting to hear, the differences in sound & tone, between the 225 & the 230VC


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What is Bosendorfer's strategy with the VC series?


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Could someone remind me what "VC" means, and how this range differs from the "non-VC" Bosendorfers?

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Vienna Concert. It is more of a modern design than the classic Bosendorfer-- meant to compete more closely with the Steinways and Bechsteins of the world.

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Originally Posted by Lucubrate
Originally Posted by Sonepica
It's interesting that it's 5cm longer than its non-VC counterpart, the 225.

Also - The 225 has 92 Keys & is wider

Will be very interesting to hear, the differences in sound & tone, between the 225 & the 230VC


~Lucubrate

Yes, I forgot to mention that the 230VC has the standard 88 keys. It doesn't have the extra bass notes of the 225.

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Vienna Concert: 88 key, reimagined from scratch, clear rich toned Bosendorfers.


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Originally Posted by Sonepica
At the moment, seriously considering getting the S7X.

You’ve probably watched many S7X videos

But, ICYMI & are interested - A new one came up in My YouTube feed yesterday, & is posted below




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The elusive SX series ... never found one to try. I liked the C7X bass but the treble lacked a little for me. To my ear, the Bosendorfer Vienna Concerting Series (VC) really "sings" compared the the non-VC. But not too much or too bright. Just seems more clear a sound. Comparing the 214 to the 214VC was night and day - the 214VC was chillingly good. As in had to stop playing, close my eyes and take a moment to appreciate the tone, and then continue on. A very commanding sound but still able to get quiet enough to draw you in. For what it's worth, I found this did a pretty good job of explaining the new VC series: https://pianopricepoint.com/bosendorfer-vienna-concert-pianos-vc/

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Originally Posted by WSherlock80
The elusive SX series ... never found one to try. I liked the C7X bass but the treble lacked a little for me. To my ear, the Bosendorfer Vienna Concerting Series (VC) really "sings" compared the the non-VC. But not too much or too bright. Just seems more clear a sound. Comparing the 214 to the 214VC was night and day - the 214VC was chillingly good. As in had to stop playing, close my eyes and take a moment to appreciate the tone, and then continue on. A very commanding sound but still able to get quiet enough to draw you in. For what it's worth, I found this did a pretty good job of explaining the new VC series: https://pianopricepoint.com/bosendorfer-vienna-concert-pianos-vc/

If you're comparing the Yamaha pianos against a Bosendorfer I would agree - Bosendorfers have the most exquisite treble of any piano. But as far as I'm aware, the treble on the Yamahas compare well against non-Bosendorfer brands. Note that the SX series have a much more refined treble than the CX series (same goes for the bass).

While at the piano dealer I played a few bars of the Rach 3 on the pianos. It was a section where your left hand little finger is playing notes in the tenor, which serve as the powerful "bass notes" for a big build up. On the Yamaha S6X, and on my own Yamaha upright at home, these notes are powerful bass notes which support the build up. But on the Bosendorfer 214VC, they sounded like relatively weak "melody notes". I noticed that the bass string windings on the Bosendorfer start a bit lower down than on the Yamaha. I wonder whether it is because Bosendorfer wants the tenor to remain more appropriate for Baroque music. The bass on the Bosendorfer did sound powerful once you went a bit lower though. But in general, I felt the bosendorfer was not as powerful a piano as the Yamaha. When pushed, it seemed to have a lower ceiling.

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Originally Posted by Lucubrate
Originally Posted by Sonepica
At the moment, seriously considering getting the S7X.

You’ve probably watched many S7X videos

But, ICYMI & are interested - A new one came up in My YouTube feed yesterday, & is posted below




~Lucubrate


Wow that piano sounds wonderful, i love that warm kind of vintage tone.
What piece is she playing?

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@Sonepica
Really fascinating! Wish I had been able to try an SX series. I genuinely enjoy reading these detailed critiques, especially when it comes to specific types of music. Sounds like the S6X ... or 7 might be in your immediate future? Would love to hear your thoughts on the new 230VC when you get to try one!

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This recording of Beethoven's piano sonata #30 is probably the best recording of the S7X on youtube at the moment. Although I'm not sure that you can entirely judge the sound of a piano from a recording, as it depends so much on the kind of microphone used and where it was placed.


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Originally Posted by WSherlock80
For what it's worth, I found this did a pretty good job of explaining the new VC series: https://pianopricepoint.com/bosendorfer-vienna-concert-pianos-vc/

Appreciate the Link!

What’s the latest on Your piano search - Have You made a decision,... still meditating on It,...?

Absent a recent update - We’ve been relegated to discussing Encyclopedias, on Your thread 😉

Hope It’s going Well & Keep Us posted!


~Lucubrate

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