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English translation?


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Try this link and see if English remains


https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/en/2021/0...n-second-hand-shop-is-worth-18-000-euro/


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>Veerle bought the piano for just 60 euro. Now she has learned that a similar piano was recently sold in France for 18,000 euro. However, the piano sold in France had undergone 300 hours of restoration work

I would not call these "similar". Or does Veerle think they took 300 hours just to dust that other piano?


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Ya, I was confused about that. Surely, fully restored it could be worth the higher price, but not in the condition it was in without a lot of expensive work?

Heck, my friend has a 110 year old player upright that is apparently worth nearly $30,000 if fully restored. Right now, though, it isn't worth the cost to move it, and she knows it. But she is planning on restoring it once the kids are out on their own.


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Is the big deal that this was a piano owned by Claude Debussy or is it just the same make and model or maybe just same make (Pleyel)? If the latter and it's unrestored then it's old junk. If it was owned by CD then it could be worth something and restoring it might actually diminish its value.

Here's a quote from the English translation that's unclear. "Ms Deknopper was astounded when she found that the piano, that was made in 1890 is the same as that used by the French pianist Claude Debussy, is in fact worth 18,000 euro."


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Without more facts, it sounds more like click bait. Here's to hoping someone can link it directly to Debussy.


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Originally Posted by Steve Chandler
Is the big deal that this was a piano owned by Claude Debussy or is it just the same make and model or maybe just same make (Pleyel)? If the latter and it's unrestored then it's old junk. If it was owned by CD then it could be worth something and restoring it might actually diminish its value.

Here's a quote from the English translation that's unclear. "Ms Deknopper was astounded when she found that the piano, that was made in 1890 is the same as that used by the French pianist Claude Debussy, is in fact worth 18,000 euro."

Philosophers like to distinguish type from token identity. Quine's joke was:
Man 1 looking at Man's 2 yacht: "Wow, you have a great yacht, I got the exact same one!"
Man 2: "Sir, that isn't possible. If you got the exact same one, it would be sitting right here. Are you accusing me of being a thief?"

The ploy is on "exact one" and the Dutch article uses pretty much the same ambiguity, "identiek" - is it the exact same ONE or exact same KIND? ("Het is een buffetpiano uit 1890, identiek aan die van componist Claude Debussy.")

As for Debussy's Pleyel, I researched this recently as documented here. I would be hugely surprised if the lady in the story knows the exact serial number Debussy's piano had when even published academics have a hard time referencing and publishing it.

So my money would be on "the exact same kind."

Finally, Dutch people like to brag about getting something expensive very cheaply. They can have five to ten minutes table talk just to reference who got the cheapest vegetable most recently. It's their equivalent of the Yorkshire Men sketch and is a national hobby.
The Dutch are very proud of being frugal, and this headline isn't so much clickbait (I think) as reflective of one of their favorite pastimes. Pro tip: if you ever marry into a Dutch family and the "I got this [thing] cheaply, it only cost X Euros" game starts, one way to shut it down is to go "Oh really? Just last week I bought the same one for [quote half the amount]!" Actual tip I got from a friend at a time. (Ended up not marrying Dutch, hehe.)

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I think that she paid at least €60 too much.


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I love the Monty Python skit. If it makes the woman who bought the Pleyel happy, it’s worth the 60€. To her.


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A Pleyel from the same time that Debussy's piano was made.
Thank you I enjoyed that ! One day someone may have it restored.

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"my piano is also of great historical value as it still has all its original parts"

This thought will be immensely reassuring to all the people who ask on here what is the value of their ancient 19th century upright.


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