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Ok after your long time of researching and 'auditioning' pianos, these were your final choices of all different brands & price points.
Which one would YOU choose and most important WHY that one? These would all be NEW, not refurbed or rebuilt (that's a whole other issue! lol)

Choice #1
Steinway Model A: 6’ 2” vs Mason & Hamlin Model AA: 6’ 4”

Choice #2
Steinway Model O: 5’ 11” vs Mason & Hamlin Model A: 5’ 8”

Choice #3
Baldwin BP178: 5’ 11” vs Yamaha GC2 5’ 8”

Choice #4
Baldwin BP190: 6’ 3” vs Yamaha C3X 6’ 1”

Choice #5
Cunningham Parlor 5’ 10” vs Boston GP-178 PE11 5’ 10”


And JUST FOR FUN:

Bosendorfer 185 VC 6’ 1” vs Fazioli F183 6’

C. Bechstein A194 6’ 4” vs Steingraeber & Sohne B-193 6’ 3”


Ok and GO!

Have fun, enjoy! There is no right or wrong answer!

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I need to partially forfeit. If I gave my choices and reasons for #1-#5, I would be chased out of here with clubs and banned for making people mad. laugh

But the "Just for Fun" category, I have actually played both the Bosie and Fazioli, believe it or not. I would take the Fazioli, based on how it was prepped. The Bosie I played was already sold and prepped by request to have the lightest action I had ever felt, and I didn't like it at all--it didn't match the sound coming out of it.

So, no two pianos are the same, I guess?


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Oh Sorry - do you think I should delete the post?
I just thought it would be fun to see others take on these to have a free choice?


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Don't delete it just because I am a poor sport, ha!

I can't wait to see what others have to say!


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I couldn't choose any of them because the "why" would be dependent upon my having played each one.

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Neither could I choose any of them. The "why" being that I don't have room for a grand.

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Outside of the first two choices posted, you'd be hard pressed to find individuals that have played anything close to a representative sampling.

Who, other than a Fazioli dealer has played more than 2 x F183? or a Steingraeber dealer having played more than 1 x B-193? I doubt they have more than 2-3 examples to select from even in Beyreuth. With Bösendorfer 185VC, it is certainly similar; it's a numbers game, and they are just so rare.

I don't mind the question, but you're not likely to draw out the kind of useful comparison made when side-by-side or taken from touches of many different instruments as a basis of experiences. Even the recent Baldwin grands are not yet common, though well represented in a few markets. I hope you do get a few responses for these as I'm curious where people are able to try and compare them.


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Are you taking price into account? If so, I don't think some of your choices are reasonable. In #1, the Steinway is close to twice the price of the Mason.

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Originally Posted by BruceD
I couldn't choose any of them because the "why" would be dependent upon my having played each one.

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Same, LOL.


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1- Steinway A - Tone
2- Steinway O - Tone
3- Yamaha GC2 - Quality
4- Yamaha C3X - Quality
5- Boston - Quality, resale
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7- Bechstein - Tone

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THANK YOU Hakki!

Geez people stop trying to analyze so much
USE YOUR IMAGINATION - you did all your testing (hypothetically)
and you liked both pianos the same - they both FELT and SOUNDED, like the one!

So which would you choose on what you know about the pianos?
(You already did your test drives, numerous times and you are down to these two)
No Finances, No Space involved

STOP Analyzing and play the game.
I have to say, sometimes it's really difficult to even get a 'simple straight answer' out of individuals on the forum. smile
that can be very disconcerting & confusing for people who are searching for reliable info, even as simple as it is.


Sonata, this comment was not geared to you! wink

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I'd close my eyes and stick a pin in the list and choose whatever comes up, except that would ruin my computer screen. Not about to do that.


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Fazioli! Why? because I love the logo!


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Originally Posted by brdwyguy
Sonata, this comment was not geared to you! wink
Ahaha, it never crossed my mind that it could be!

I get enough slack around here and feel like an idiot 99% of the time as it is. I sorta remember why I took a ~10year break. laugh


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Ok just a game.

Choice #1
Mason & Hamlin Model AA: 6’ 4” - tone

Choice #2
Steinway Model O: 5’ 11” - slightly bigger

Choice #3
Yamaha GC2 5’ 8” - I prefer Yamahas

Choice #4 Yamaha C3X 6’ 1” - I prefer Yamahas

Choice #5
Cunningham Parlor 5’ 10” - I like ebonyk’s piano


And JUST FOR FUN:

Bosendorfer 185 VC 6’ 1” - I love Bosendorfers

C. Bechstein A194 6’ 4” - it’s a Bechstein


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Interesting riddle. I assume the Bechstein is not the Academy A190, but the regular A192? Haven't played either that or the Steingraeber-- only seen videos. When set up well, the Bechstein pulls the heart strings. As a practical beast (and especially with the Mozart rail and other doodads), Steingraeber would be hard to argue with.

The new Bosendorfer VC is likewise a really practical choice. Depending on the location and the role in inventory, I'd want to compare with the 200. I've seen the bigger Faziolis a few times, with Angela Hewitt, and while I like her playing, I never got quite the buzz on her instrument. Which isn't to say that she would be better on anything else.

Going up to the top, I have neither seen nor heard the new M&Hs. Could be a fascinating discovery.

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OK can I dream too ? I would like a Hamburg Steinways semi concert grand ,even though I do not think I have ever played one., Not sure if the one I played at university was a New York
Steinways or Hamburg ? It was really nice.
The Bechstein (5'8" ?) I played was really nice ., again not sure if it was a Classic or an Academy. It was in France in a small
dealer. The woman sales person obviously knew I was a just a tourist, so I could not spend much time at it .(I think it was a Classic)
Then of course there is the Sauter Omega, perhaps I shall take that. No guess's about that one ., it's always a gem.
It is a pity when we went to Germany I did not try any pianos then. At that I still had my Kawai grand.( the strings had not started snapping yet )

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Oh I forgot I am now a Schimmel fan ! 😃
So from what I have heard from one piano dealer (who does not sell Schimmel ), is that the Schimmel Konzert 230 is one of the most magnificent instruments around .( actually owned by our PW member, pianist extraordinaire.( who is away at the moment)
So forget the Hamburg , I shall take that one !

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Choice #1 Mason & Hamlin Model AA: 6’ 4”
Choice #2 Mason & Hamlin Model A: 5’ 8”
Choice #3 Baldwin BP178: 5’ 11”
Choice #4 Baldwin BP190: 6’ 3”
Choice #5 Cunningham Parlor 5’ 10”
And JUST FOR FUN:
Bosendorfer 185 VC 6’ 1”
Steingraeber & Sohne B-193 6’ 3”


Solely based on brands.


“If it sounds good, it IS good.”
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