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I feel odd because I actually turn my P-515 to Hard 1 or Hard 2, I think the action is too soft. PHA4 feels muddy to me.


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Originally Posted by brennbaer
Originally Posted by Fleer
It’s the standard (in Roland’s FP-60).


Thanks for the clarification. smile
Can you elaborate what exactly makes you prefer the PHA-4 (Standard) over the PHA-50?
I’m wondering because in general it gets (much) more reputation than the PHA-4 Standard.
I already asked that question a few posts earlier but maybe it got overlooked
Sure.
I prefer the PHA-4’s lighter action.
PHA-50 is not as heavy as NWX, but still on the heavy side.

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Originally Posted by Fleer
Originally Posted by brennbaer
Originally Posted by Fleer
It’s the standard (in Roland’s FP-60).


Thanks for the clarification. smile
Can you elaborate what exactly makes you prefer the PHA-4 (Standard) over the PHA-50?
I’m wondering because in general it gets (much) more reputation than the PHA-4 Standard.
I already asked that question a few posts earlier but maybe it got overlooked
Sure.
I prefer the PHA-4’s lighter action.
PHA-50 is not as heavy as NWX, but still on the heavy side.

The Roland actions on the FP80 and HP series at that time were better, much. But they were also so darned noisy. Almost clattered with a hard bottom . we all complained about them at the time. I got the FP50 instead for that reason alone.. . .


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Originally Posted by Fleer
Originally Posted by brennbaer
Originally Posted by Fleer
It’s the standard (in Roland’s FP-60).


Thanks for the clarification. smile
Can you elaborate what exactly makes you prefer the PHA-4 (Standard) over the PHA-50?
I’m wondering because in general it gets (much) more reputation than the PHA-4 Standard.
I already asked that question a few posts earlier but maybe it got overlooked
Sure.
I prefer the PHA-4’s lighter action.
PHA-50 is not as heavy as NWX, but still on the heavy side.
Thanks
and hmmm, that’s interesting confused
What I heared and read until now was that the PHA-50 has a lighter action.
With a key Pushdown weight of something in the 50 gramms whereas the weight of the PHA-4 Standard keys have a weight of something in the 60 gramms.
There is a thread at Reddit where the users compared the key weights of various actions:
Key weights of keyboards
Actually this was also my first impression when i bought my FP-30 4 years ago.
During my short comparison i had the impression that the FP-90 had a significantly lighter weight which I didn’t like at that time.
But at that time I was an “aspiring” re-beginner so i guess my playing wasn’t advanced enough to recognise possible differences regarding playability and responsiveness/sensitiveness.
(sidenote: in his new FP-30X video Stu Harrison from MeriamMusic mentions that the PHA-50 offers more sensitiveness)
So I went for the more affordable and at that moment superficially better feeling (because of its providing more resistance to the fingers ???) action.

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I guess it really depends on what you (like to) play. It’s all in your fingers.

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Originally Posted by brennbaer
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Originally Posted by Fleer
Originally Posted by brennbaer
Originally Posted by Fleer
It’s the standard (in Roland’s FP-60).


Thanks for the clarification. smile
Can you elaborate what exactly makes you prefer the PHA-4 (Standard) over the PHA-50?
I’m wondering because in general it gets (much) more reputation than the PHA-4 Standard.
I already asked that question a few posts earlier but maybe it got overlooked
Sure.
I prefer the PHA-4’s lighter action.
PHA-50 is not as heavy as NWX, but still on the heavy side.
Thanks
and hmmm, that’s interesting confused
What I heared and read until now was that the PHA-50 has a lighter action.
With a key Pushdown weight of something in the 50 gramms whereas the weight of the PHA-4 Standard keys have a weight of something in the 60 gramms.
There is a thread at Reddit where the users compared the key weights of various actions:
Key weights of keyboards
Actually this was also my first impression when i bought my FP-30 4 years ago.
During my short comparison i had the impression that the FP-90 had a significantly lighter weight which I didn’t like at that time.
But at that time I was an “aspiring” re-beginner so i guess my playing wasn’t advanced enough to recognise possible differences regarding playability and responsiveness/sensitiveness.
(sidenote: in his new FP-30X video Stu Harrison from MeriamMusic mentions that the PHA-50 offers more sensitiveness)
So I went for the more affordable and at that moment superficially better feeling (because of its providing more resistance to the fingers ???) action.
Checked that Stu Harrison vid. His description of the PHA-4 action is spot on: “well balanced, not too heavy, not too light” while he considers the PHA-50 a bit more solid.

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