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When I said "incredibly naive" I was trying to put it as gently as possible. I could have described it much more negatively. Despite what so many have said you just don't understand and are unwilling to accept advice.

Have you missed his new thread? He had his second lesson with his teacher and they agreed on a learning plan.
And you'll never guess what it is...... grin

Do we need to get another bucket of popcorn? smile


NO! He has a teacher and he has directions from that teacher. Enough said.


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Goal is.

Be comfortable in all 24 keys be able to play across all octaves in a comfortable manner.
Have an understanding of piano technique to the point where I can be aware of tension while I play and be able to fix it, come up with fingerings that make sense w/ my hand, be comfortable playing piano/forte at will to a decent leve, and have good posture

Be able to play a good bit of czerny etudes/exercises, and continue to improve at sightreading..

Fully understand fundamentals of music theory.

Then... I will go into rep, starting with very easy stuff. If my process works, I should be able to learn easy pieces like 1-2 a day if I work hard. Then, I just progressively start doing more difficult stuff and I'll get to a level where I can play Rach/Scriabin..

If you think this method is incredibly naive, and re-inventive then okay. We will see my friend. smile
When I said "incredibly naive" I was trying to put it as gently as possible. I could have described it much more negatively. Despite what so many have said you just don't understand and are unwilling to accept advice.

Have you missed his new thread? He had his second lesson with his teacher and they agreed on a learning plan.
What was the plan? My guess is it's not what he has been espousing all along.

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
What was the plan? My guess is it's not what he has been espousing all along.

Here's the plan:

The plan

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
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Have you missed his new thread? He had his second lesson with his teacher and they agreed on a learning plan.
What was the plan? My guess is it's not what he has been espousing all along.
Go to the new thread and you'll see.......
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Originally Posted by pablobear
Goal is.

Be comfortable in all 24 keys be able to play across all octaves in a comfortable manner.
Have an understanding of piano technique to the point where I can be aware of tension while I play and be able to fix it, come up with fingerings that make sense w/ my hand, be comfortable playing piano/forte at will to a decent leve, and have good posture

Be able to play a good bit of czerny etudes/exercises, and continue to improve at sightreading..

Fully understand fundamentals of music theory.

Then... I will go into rep, starting with very easy stuff. If my process works, I should be able to learn easy pieces like 1-2 a day if I work hard. Then, I just progressively start doing more difficult stuff and I'll get to a level where I can play Rach/Scriabin..

If you think this method is incredibly naive, and re-inventive then okay. We will see my friend. smile
When I said "incredibly naive" I was trying to put it as gently as possible. I could have described it much more negatively. Despite what so many have said you just don't understand and are unwilling to accept advice.

It's probably a big part of the process for many, just accepting advice or accepting that it is in fact, a very slow and long process/journey. I can't tell you how many pieces I started and didn't finish. I will also add I can do a lot of advanced technique and it does not translate directly to pieces 100%. For example, I can do advanced technique such as ABRSM Grade 6+ but then a Grade 1 piece still takes me a week to learn. What I'm getting at is I think it's good to play a lot of pieces at your level and slowly build. But I'm also a begginner just saying I think I burned so much time on technique and I also love it so that's probably why.
I think you are on your way.


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Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
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What was the plan? My guess is it's not what he has been espousing all along.

Here's the plan:

The plan
Even the "plan" is confused. He firsts talks about learning just technical material and then says maybe "next week" he'll start learning rep. A beginner just starting to learn scales who thinks he knows how piano should be taught.

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I feel that I know what works best for me.....

Just went to my 2nd lesson with new teacher...

We are going the route that I want to go and we focused heavily on technique and tension and I learned A LOT more about playing relaxed and I can't wait to apply it...

Some things we talked about were:

Dead fish, an exercise for tension, talked about touching keys lightly but making big sound, minimize unnecessary motion, dribbling tennis ball to make loose/dead fish, and posture related stuff.

He said for rep he may assign me some czerny or just etude stuff, he said I will enjoy more technical studies and he will try and find some stuff for me.


What the goal is for next lesson is doing: a-maj hands together 2 octave, aminor scales, a-maj contrary motion, c arpeggio, and he said also work through D, F, G, and E scales as well.

My veteran teacher friend I mentioned in another thread would have nodded her head knowingly thumb wow.

A leopard never changes its spots. Nor a zebra its stripes.

But, as I've said more times than I can remember (my old age is affecting my memory), it's all good......


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I don't see what's wrong with his post. He said he wanted to focus on technique and it appears that the teacher gave him some good advice. If the teacher is good, he/she won't neglect other aspects of playing the piano.

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Doesn’t this need to stop being discussed? The OP went to a teacher for lessons. As if their second lesson, they agreed on a learning plan. Shouldn’t that be the end of this???


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Originally Posted by dogperson
Doesn’t this need to stop being discussed? The OP went to a teacher for lessons. As if their second lesson, they agreed on a learning plan. Shouldn’t that be the end of this???
I agree - let's stop offering advice and making assumptions about the "plan" and simply let the OP work with his new teacher to learn to play - however they wish to proceed. He can come back here in 2-3 months and share his progress.


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