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This question seems to get posted fairly often, so I'll keep simple. I'm very motivated to start learning and need some help deciding which piano should be my first.

I'm looking for:
- Good action and sound
- Some portability for moving around in the house
- Good bang for bucks, preferably under 1000USD
- Bluetooth connectivity would be nice, but not a requirement


I live in Norway but I'll convert the prices to USD for ease. Here are my current candidates and thoughts:

Kawai ES110 with a very basic frame, bench and headphones included: 800USD
- Would have to order internationally
- Clicky sound and key spacing issue
- Getting old(?)


Korg D1 without anything: 770USD
- Also international order
- Would need to buy a pair of headphones, frame and bench seperately(+200USD?)
- No speakers


Casio CDP-S100: 740USD
- Local store have it in stock
- Comes with good frame and bench
- Seems quite far below the first two options in action and sound



Yamaha P-45: 700USD
- Local store have it in stock
- Comes with decent frame
- Also seems worse than the first two options in action and sound



Nux NPK-10: 590USD
- Norwegian online stores have it in stock
- Good on paper with nice specs
- Can't find any review online. Seems new, untested and unknown.


I've considered other options aswell, like the Roland FP-10 and FP-30, Yamahas P-125, or more expensive Casios, but the price and availability doesn't seem worth it compared to the options above. Also I wou ld be able to get the P-45 and CDP-S100 for about 530USD if I ordered them online without the stand and bench.

Supporting local businesses is always nice, but the top two options seems quite a bit better for not a whole lot more money. I'm not sure how noticable it would be for a beginner though. I imagine I'd like to upgrade significantly in a year or so if I enjoy the hobby anyways.

Any advice and thoughts would be highly appreciated!

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Found a video of the Nux NPK-10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlfHvDdmde0

Personally I'd buy something a bit more reputable, like the ES110. I think any digital within this price bracket would get weird problems with the action after a few years, even the D1 which uses a high-end action has problems.

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Run through this ...


http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...al-piano-for-a-beginner.html#Post3080740



or this ....


http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...hoosing-a-digital-piano.html#Post3080958



P.S. I would suggest you purchase the best one in your price range from a local dealer.

As a beginner, it will not make a hill or beans difference to you for a year or two and then you can decide if you wish to get a better one.

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Take dmd's advice. After you have been practicing the piano for a couple of years then you can decide if you need/want to upgrade.


All these years playing and I still consider myself a novice.
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Originally Posted by littlefinger
Found a video of the Nux NPK-10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlfHvDdmde0

Personally I'd buy something a bit more reputable, like the ES110. I think any digital within this price bracket would get weird problems with the action after a few years, even the D1 which uses a high-end action has problems.

Thank you! I was hoping to find a review more independent from the company, but it looks and sounds good to my untrained eyes and ears. I agree that something known and tested seems safer.


Originally Posted by dmd
Run through this ...


http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...al-piano-for-a-beginner.html#Post3080740



or this ....


http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...hoosing-a-digital-piano.html#Post3080958



P.S. I would suggest you purchase the best one in your price range from a local dealer.

As a beginner, it will not make a hill or beans difference to you for a year or two and then you can decide if you wish to get a better one.

Appreciate it, but I’ve read through those along with many older ones already and I’m still struggling..

I’ll take your advice and stop by the local dealer tomorrow and at the very least take a look. Thank you!

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The Kawai or the Korg if you can afford them, but you can learn on any of those instruments. Play, listen, purchase the one you like.

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I'm a beginner who owns the Kawai es110 for a month now. The key spacing issue doesn't make a difference to my playing (I barely notice it at all to be honest). I don't know about any clicky sounds either - perhaps only at the highest key that has a slight clicky sound, but I usually play with headphones so it's not perceptable (also as a beginner, I'm nowhere close to reaching that high up the notes yet). As for age, I don't think it matters. For me sound and action of this piano are still excellent for me. Maybe on the action is on the lighter side, but it makes playing so enjoyable and makes me practice every single day. I really recommend it even if you have to order it internationally.

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NME,

Are you sure about those prices? Things like Casio CDP-S100 sounds far too high compared to the others. As Norway is almost in Europe (well about as much as UK, here, now is ;)) then I would have thought someone like Thomann in Germany was a good "hub" to compare prices with? There I see:

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ES110:        €579 (roughly $702, £505)
D1:           €565 (roughly $685, £492)
CDP-S100:     €365 (roughly $442, £318)
P45:          €426 (roughly $516, £371)
Those are € prices but it's not so much the actual amount but the relative value that is important. It puts the price scale in the order (high to low): ES110, D1, P45, CDP-S100 with the Casio being below 2/3rd the Kawai price. That is typical of what I have been seeing when comparing these in various places.

Of course reviews suggest that you get what you pay for the ES110/D1 are widely described as being in a different league to CDP-S100/P45.

In fact the D1 is lauded for being the only one around this price point that has an action as advanced as the RHA3. While many describe the ES110 as "light" a lot of die-hard "acoustic" reviewers seem to suggest that it is very attractive and easy to play.

BTW I know you discounted the FP10/ FP30 / P125 (and I note Korg B2 is not even on the list?) but to put those in context:

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FP10:      €498 ($604, £434)
FP30X:     €699 ($848, £609) (they no longer list FP30 presumably because new "X" have replaced?)
P125:      €569 ($690, £496)
B2:        €399 ($484, £348)

While I have a feeling that it's worth paying the extra for the D1 over B2 if considering Korg you have to say that is a pretty aggressive price for the B2 when comparing it to the others especially when the keybed action is so highly rated (though not in the league of D1).

To summarise here's the list in descending price order:

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FP30X:     €699 ($848, £609) 
ES110:     €579 ($702, £505)
P125:      €569 ($690, £496)
D1:        €565 ($685, £492)
FP10:      €498 ($604, £434)
P45:       €426 ($516, £371)
B2:        €399 ($484, £348)
CDP-S100:  €365 ($442, £318)

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Originally Posted by 1903wrightflyer
NME,

Are you sure about those prices? Things like Casio CDP-S100 sounds far too high compared to the others. As Norway is almost in Europe (well about as much as UK, here, now is ;)) then I would have thought someone like Thomann in Germany was a good "hub" to compare prices with? There I see:

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ES110:        €579 (roughly $702, £505)
D1:           €565 (roughly $685, £492)
CDP-S100:     €365 (roughly $442, £318)
P45:          €426 (roughly $516, £371)
Those are € prices but it's not so much the actual amount but the relative value that is important. It puts the price scale in the order (high to low): ES110, D1, P45, CDP-S100 with the Casio being below 2/3rd the Kawai price. That is typical of what I have been seeing when comparing these in various places.

Of course reviews suggest that you get what you pay for the ES110/D1 are widely described as being in a different league to CDP-S100/P45.

In fact the D1 is lauded for being the only one around this price point that has an action as advanced as the RHA3. While many describe the ES110 as "light" a lot of die-hard "acoustic" reviewers seem to suggest that it is very attractive and easy to play.

BTW I know you discounted the FP10/ FP30 / P125 (and I note Korg B2 is not even on the list?) but to put those in context:

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FP10:      €498 ($604, £434)
FP30X:     €699 ($848, £609) (they no longer list FP30 presumably because new "X" have replaced?)
P125:      €569 ($690, £496)
B2:        €399 ($484, £348)

While I have a feeling that it's worth paying the extra for the D1 over B2 if considering Korg you have to say that is a pretty aggressive price for the B2 when comparing it to the others especially when the keybed action is so highly rated (though not in the league of D1).

To summarise here's the list in descending price order:

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FP30X:     €699 ($848, £609) 
ES110:     €579 ($702, £505)
P125:      €569 ($690, £496)
D1:        €565 ($685, £492)
FP10:      €498 ($604, £434)
P45:       €426 ($516, £371)
B2:        €399 ($484, £348)
CDP-S100:  €365 ($442, £318)

Thank you for the very detailed reponse! I highly appreciate that you took the time to research and type it out.

Unfortunately I have to pay import duties and fees which is an extra 25% plus about 30 USD. That makes the CDP-S100 about 540USD.

I ended up buying the CDP-S100 bundle with the Casio stand and a decent bench for about 740USD locally. Definitely didn’t get the best beginner piano or the most bang for my bucks, but it felt and sounded nice at the local store and I get to start playing immediately. Based on some Norwegian reviews of international stores like gear4music and Thomann, it seemed like customer support was slow and a hassle which also influenced my decision to go local.

Thank you and all other contributers for the thought and advice! Now the learning begins.

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Great to hear - I rather like the keybed on the new Casios - and regardless it's all about the playing - so good for you that you made a decision and moved on to what this is all about :-)

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Originally Posted by Morten Olsson
Great to hear - I rather like the keybed on the new Casios - and regardless it's all about the playing - so good for you that you made a decision and moved on to what this is all about :-)

Thank you!
Couldn’t agree more. I realized it’s more important to start playing than to pick out the perfect first piano, which doesn’t exist anyways. Appreciate the encouragement!

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Congrats NME. Now head over to the Adult beginners forum and join on in smile


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Originally Posted by EPW
Congrats NME. Now head over to the Adult beginners forum and join on in smile
Thank you, EPW! Will do.

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