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Yes, I would, and I would consider several different concert grands in the process.

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Ok to stoke it a little more... a 9’ piano is a liability of sorts. Any time you move, you need a residence capable of housing it. If you ever need to sell it, the market is very limited as far as buyers of such a piano. Yet, the richness of tone and action are worth it (?)

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If money is no object I'd consider a 9', I'd also need the space for it. It would depend if I found one I liked and if I could afford a technician to keep up the maintenance.

For what it's worth I believe that a good Steinway D in a concert hall is pretty hard to beat. My preference is for Hamburg and there are some beautiful pianos being produced there at the moment. There are some good NY Steinways too, but I don't like them as much, because for my taste and my playing they tend to get loud very quickly, but I wouldn't say no to a good one of course.

Other makes, yeah, many of them produce an excellent concert grand, but I'm going to keep reiterating that for any piano, an experienced technician is as important as the brand, or even the size of the piano in some cases. In a large hall you can't really have anything less than 9', that's obviously going to give you not just the greatest volume of sound in terms of projection but the greatest clarity, assuming it's a good instrument.

In a domestic situation, in an average size studio room, and I'm thinking really up to 20' x 20' or something, maybe a bit larger or a bit smaller, a smaller piano would be fine. At that stage I'm looking not for power but for balance throughout the register, and a pleasing enough tone to work with. For piano practice it's not that you're constantly running through etudes and concertos at speed anyway, it's a lot of very slow and organised work. Personally I like to start extremely slow and extremely soft, so that my hands get used to where they're going, and I get control over the key dip. I don't need a Steinway D for that kind of work. When it comes to really exploring musical things, coming up with different ideas and possibilities, it's nice to have the best piano you can find to find out what is possible and expand upon it. For that yeah I wouldn't mind a Steinway D!

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Of course I did. In fact for the purpose I had in mind only a 9' piano would do the job. Thanks again to Melvin Besbrode for the fantastic deal on the Bluthner.


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Yes, would love a nice sounding rebuilt older model D in a art case. Although my room is 12' x 10' and it might be a little too powerful for the room. My current goal is something 7-8' for that reason.

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Originally Posted by D.P.
Yes, would love a nice sounding rebuilt older model D in a art case. Although my room is 12' x 10' and it might be a little too powerful for the room. My current goal is something 7-8' for that reason.
If your room opens to the adjacent space with just a normal sized door, even 7' might be much too large.

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Originally Posted by Joseph Fleetwood
Other makes, yeah, many of them produce an excellent concert grand, but I'm going to keep reiterating that for any piano, an experienced technician is as important as the brand, or even the size of the piano in some cases. In a large hall you can't really have anything less than 9', that's obviously going to give you not just the greatest volume of sound in terms of projection but the greatest clarity, assuming it's a good instrument.

I'll 2nd this! The technician is KEY! I've seen pianos I thought were dead dogs some to life in a matter of hours at the hands of an experienced technician, as long as it's a quality brand and the piano does not have any serious issues. The transformation can be breathtaking!

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We have a late model D in the living room, a 9' M&H C coming out of restoration to the music room and an old upright Thompson beater in the dungeon. The Thompson gets pounded daily (for finger exercises) at the moment and is starting to fail, but that role may switch over to the M&H in a couple months when it arrives. The D gets played a few times per week. It has been unbelievably solid and needed about 1 tech visit per year.

As some have said, large pianos do require extra attention when relocating (we have moved at least 10 times) to ensure not only adequate space but means to access the intended space. Staircases with turns are not good for moving large instruments (single story homes with no steps and wide interior spaces are ideal). We have used rented cranes a couple times (fourth floor) and also removed windows during moves.

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We have a late model D in the living room, a 9' M&H C coming out of restoration to the music room and an old upright Thompson beater in the dungeon. The Thompson gets pounded daily (for finger exercises) at the moment and is starting to fail, but that role may switch over to the M&H in a couple months when it arrives. The D gets played a few times per week. It has been unbelievably solid and needed about 1 tech visit per year.

As some have said, large pianos do require extra attention when relocating (we have moved at least 10 times) to ensure not only adequate space but means to access the intended space. Staircases with turns are not good for moving large instruments (single story homes with no steps and wide interior spaces are ideal). We have used rented cranes a couple times (fourth floor) and also removed windows during moves.
From a sheer piano perspective your cup runneth over smile but moving super sized instruments to the 4th Floor and removing windows? Yikes !


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Yes, would love a nice sounding rebuilt older model D in a art case. Although my room is 12' x 10' and it might be a little too powerful for the room. My current goal is something 7-8' for that reason.
If your room opens to the adjacent space with just a normal sized door, even 7' might be much too large.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Most homes I've been in that was the case, but this one has ceilings a foot taller than I'm used to (9') and the piano room and adjacent space are basically in the same space. It's one of those craftsman-ish houses with the wooden posts separating the spaces. No doors at all. Very narrow though.

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Originally Posted by D.P.
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Yes, would love a nice sounding rebuilt older model D in a art case. Although my room is 12' x 10' and it might be a little too powerful for the room. My current goal is something 7-8' for that reason.
If your room opens to the adjacent space with just a normal sized door, even 7' might be much too large.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Most homes I've been in that was the case, but this one has ceilings a foot taller than I'm used to (9') and the piano room and adjacent space are basically in the same space. It's one of those craftsman-ish houses with the wooden posts separating the spaces. No doors at all. Very narrow though.

If you put a D in that space, doesn’t seem like you will have room for anything else at all... not even a comfortable chair for an audience.


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Would I buy a Steinway D

For my auditorium, yes. For my music room, I would have a lot of fun choosing something smaller.

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Yes, would love a nice sounding rebuilt older model D in a art case. Although my room is 12' x 10' and it might be a little too powerful for the room. My current goal is something 7-8' for that reason.
If your room opens to the adjacent space with just a normal sized door, even 7' might be much too large.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Most homes I've been in that was the case, but this one has ceilings a foot taller than I'm used to (9') and the piano room and adjacent space are basically in the same space. It's one of those craftsman-ish houses with the wooden posts separating the spaces. No doors at all. Very narrow though.
That may effectively make your space much larger.

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Just measured again. Room is actually 12' wide. Still narrow I guess. We do have a small sofa in the room with it but can only fit 3 people. Piano(6'7") has another 4' till it touches the little partition. Keyboard clears the other wall by just over 2'. If I didn't have the wooden posts there I could fit the piano with less trouble.

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Originally Posted by D.P.
[...] Keyboard clears the other wall by just over 2'. [...]

Is that enough room for the technician to pull out the action to work on it?

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Originally Posted by Dave Ferris
My space is 20' X20 ', 400 sq. ft. A detached double car garage we had converted about 20 years ago. Very well sound-proofed and we just installed new hardwood floor. Some FB pictures.

https://www.facebook.com/dave.ferris.125323/posts/2707312736189629

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[...] Keyboard clears the other wall by just over 2'. [...]

Is that enough room for the technician to pull out the action to work on it?

Regards,

Not if it stays as is. I pushed it forward a little the other day and I was able to get the action out. Heard a weird rattling noise when I played C5 for some reason. I was able to slide the action out onto my knees then lift up to set on the lid with some blankets. Rattling noise went away when I put it back in so no idea what that was.

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Originally Posted by ebonyk
Originally Posted by Dave Ferris
My space is 20' X20 ', 400 sq. ft. A detached double car garage we had converted about 20 years ago. Very well sound-proofed and we just installed new hardwood floor. Some FB pictures.

https://www.facebook.com/dave.ferris.125323/posts/2707312736189629

I LOVE your room!!!!

Thank you Lisa ! So do I ! smile

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My space is 20' X20 ', 400 sq. ft. A detached double car garage we had converted about 20 years ago. Very well sound-proofed and we just installed new hardwood floor. Some FB pictures.

https://www.facebook.com/dave.ferris.125323/posts/2707312736189629

I LOVE your room!!!!
Thank you Lisa ! So do I ! smile
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Dave - I like the way you designed the wood floor. It gives the Steinway D a defined stage area. Very clever. Wish I could place my M&H BB in a repurposed two car garage. Would allow me to play it much more frequently than in our house. (Gotta be considerate of others.) smile


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Originally Posted by Dave Ferris
My space is 20' X20 ', 400 sq. ft. A detached double car garage we had converted about 20 years ago. Very well sound-proofed and we just installed new hardwood floor. Some FB pictures.

https://www.facebook.com/dave.ferris.125323/posts/2707312736189629

I LOVE your room!!!!
Thank you Lisa ! So do I ! smile
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Dave - I like the way you designed the wood floor. It gives the Steinway D a defined stage area. Very clever. Wish I could place my M&H BB in a repurposed two car garage. Would allow me to play it much more frequently than in our house. (Gotta be considerate of others.) smile

Thanks. We were a bit worried about matching the new 3" boards with the 20 year old 1.5" light hardwood but they gave us a bunch of samples to choose from and it actually looked really good butted up against it.

We had the old floor cut on an angle, sort of a semi-circle and I just liked the look of it. Plus it saved us more dough not having to replace it.

We had the studio built 20 years ago because I had my Yamaha S6 in the living room and my wife was working out of the home at that time. It's a relatively small house, 1742 sq.', and while she's a Saint for putting up with my practicing for over 40 years, it was causing a lot of conflict.

I shutter to think of the cost of building it again 20 years later. shocked

I did just purchase a Yamaha NX3 Avant Grand that will be going in the living room. So after all these years I will have a piano in the house again. The acoustics in the living room are fantastic and she misses it.....to a certain extent. Just not the Chopin Etudes for the millionth time along with the Chinese water torture effect of transposing Jazz lines and chord voicings to all 12 keys. I promised I wouldn't do that kind of practicing on the incoming Yamaha....maybe just a little. grin But I can turn it down or put on phones.


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