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So I'm back working on old repertoire, but on the next page is a piece that's *somewhat* popular, but not really. I probably listened to it years ago, but couldn't even tell you how it goes....like I can't even hum it.

So my plan is to play and learn and then verify afterwards. Fun stuff.

PS- I've never done this before. Every piece I've learned, I've listened to, and watched YouTube videos on many, many times.


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That's what "reading music" means:

. . . See it on the page, and play it -- right notes, right rhythm.

. . . You never did that?

(My amazement shows how much I'm centered around the _written_ music, rather than the _heard_ music. I have my own habits and biases.)

There's more than one path into piano -- good luck exploring this new one!


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I’ve played some pieces I haven’t heard before. I hear a piece on the radio like “When You Wish Upon a Star”, I’m tempted to find the score online.

Some of the pieces in my collection are not from books but online downloads. I do occasionally find errors in the score so I’m temped to listen to at least 1 version to verify the accuracy of my score. Otherwise I’d be practicing with the mistakes before correcting them (by listening to another performance and compare with another score. My last download of the Bach Goldberg Variations Aria 1 measure was notated with half a beat too many. Ended up comparing performances to fix the mistake.

And I tend to compare performances to come up with an ideal tempo. When learning a technical piece, there is a tendency to slow down. With slow pieces there is a tendency to play too fast.

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Yes.
Working on one now that I found no recording on. So no one really could tell me I am playing it all wrong. Win win

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I do. I bought a book of Gade music; I'd never even heard of him, let alone his music, but it was a creamy Henle edition and the pieces are about my standard. It's an adventure and great fun.

I also have a stash of old boudoir music I have bought from charity shops, but at least there I know roughly what to expect - light and accessible - because of the genre.

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Working on one now that I found no recording on. So no one really could tell me I am playing it all wrong. Win win

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Originally Posted by CebuKid
PS- I've never done this before. Every piece I've learned, I've listened to, and watched YouTube videos on many, many times.
I'd say: make haste and start doing some sight-reading. Just download lots of stuff for free from IMSLP and have a go - start with Schumann's and Tchaikovsky's Album for the Young (assuming you haven't heard most of them). You'll have lots of fun discovering nice tunes and harmonies and rhythms - all by yourself. It's like climbing a mountain for the first time and finding your own route to the summit, and you then have a view that you'd never envisaged.

It's good for the soul (and your musicianship)........

Of course I'd say that, as when I was a student, every piece that I learnt with my teacher, I'd never heard (or seen) before, and that's not including the thousands of pieces I was just sight-reading for fun. I learnt very quickly to be able to read music accurately first time, and know (by listening) when something isn't right, as well as understanding what the music is about and putting in all the right expressions even when playing it for the first time.


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Yes, very often, and I have been shocked quite a couple of times, especially in the old days, before I used a metronome. cool
My first book for self-teaching (don't do it) was Alfred's (don't chose it) and as I am not from the U.S. there were quite a few pieces I had never heard of in my life. Jericho, Moses, Raisins and Almonds, Good king Wenceslas, On top of old smoky, just to name a few, the list is long.


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Anything almost I've ever played on ABF recitals I'd never heard until the composers name was given, and I had to research. If it sounded decent and wasn't already taken, I bagged it. There's a couple I bagged that I wish I hadn't; they did my head in and probably yours too.


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All the time, since I started leaning the piano and listening to the classical music simultaneously. And admittedly it's difficult, however it has this side benefit of increasing concentration which is one of my objectives in learning the piano.

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That's what "reading music" means:
. . . See it on the page, and play it -- right notes, right rhythm.
. . . You never did that?
Reading music or sight reading music does not exclude pieces one has heard before.

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i Started lessons back in the dark ages before the internet, so almost everything was a ‘new to me’. I remember as a kid learning a piano transcription of Handel s ‘Surprise symphony’ in my lesson book and how surprised and delighted I was with the ‘surprise’.

I still find sheet music to learn that I have never heard, and I try to resist listening first. One of my teachers highly discourages it, as he doesn’t want his students to copy someone else.


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Lots of them. I get chuffed when I discover melodies and harmonies in a new-to-me piece. This:
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...You'll have lots of fun discovering nice tunes and harmonies and rhythms - all by yourself. It's like climbing a mountain for the first time and finding your own route to the summit, and you then have a view that you'd never envisaged.

It's good for the soul (and your musicianship)....


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Most the pieces I play I haven’t heard. I listen to them and the learn from the sheet

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It gets trickier as music gets more modern. There are some pieces on my to-learn pile that are tricky to play without hearing any recordings, especially in terms of voicing "dissonant" chords and sonorities. So I sometimes second guess what I'm doing. But it is exciting to develop one's own sound-image of a piece without reference, to make one's own decisions about musical values, logic, textures, and affect in a piece.

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Rarely. I usually look things up on YouTube before I decide to play them to see if I like it or not.


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It's the only thing I did for years. I was given a piano as a child, notes passed on from Germany that my grandmother had used around 1904, and I just played. I remember hearing Fuer Elise on the radio as an adult and being surprised at how fast it gets played. It had been in my grandmother's book. (My childhood was in the 1960's - born in 1950's).

Otoh, because of my background, I'm weak in listening to performances and hearing details. That is my personal catch-up.

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I've done it the other way. I'll play something with a title that doesn't mean much to me and then realize, "Hey, I'm sure that I've heard this before."


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That's what "reading music" means:

. . . See it on the page, and play it -- right notes, right rhythm.

. . . You never did that?

(My amazement shows how much I'm centered around the _written_ music, rather than the _heard_ music. I have my own habits and biases.)

There's more than one path into piano -- good luck exploring this new one!

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I've done it lots of times as a kid, and also on "easy" stuff, but never on an actual, full-blown piece.

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I would say that 3 out of 4 pieces that I learn I have never heard before.

But I’m not just playing music that I want to learn (I do some of that). I’m mainly following the Hal Leonard method books and AMEB graded repertoire. And even though Hal Leonard give you an audio CD with all the tracks on it, I make a point of not listening to them until after I’ve read and learnt the piece, to force myself to read and count it from scratch and not just copy by ear.


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