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As Kawai and Yamaha have their factory in Indonesia , I am little wondering if their parts all assembled in Japan or they get some of their parts from Indonesia to save labour costs. If thr parts made in Indonesia, is it just matter of labour costs?

Also how are pianos different regarding quality between made in Japan and Indonesia?


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In today's business world, thinking carefully about this question will allow you to find the answer on your own, I think.

Are any products made COMPLETELY in any one country? Well, perhaps some Chinese made electronics, although even those often have components from Korea, Japan and the US. But most complex products are made using parts and components from many different countries.

For example, Kawai uses pinblocks made in the US. The hammer felt wool comes from Australia, although the felt itself and all of the hammers are made in Japan. Most of the soundboard spruce comes from Alaska and B.C. Canada. The music wire comes from Germany. So, no, the piano is not completely made of parts from Japan - but the GX pianos are completely built in Japan.

Kawai does make some piano models in Indonesia, and these are clearly marked indicating this. Kawai also has a lumber mill in Indonesia, so some of the wood material is initially milled there then shipped to Japan. Also, the Indonesian built pianos have many parts which come from Japan (especially actions). So, does that make them worse or better?

What I think is key is the company culture; the philosophy of design, material, and construction quality, that makes the product quality high or low. Japanese car companies have proven this by building cars in the US that have been rated among the highest in quality. Hyundai and Kia are building cars in Mexico that have excellent quality ratings also. Kawai pianos are known for the quality actions, a characteristic musical tone quality, and great longevity of the instruments. The company works hard to keep this consistent no matter where the pianos are built.

If you buy a Kawai piano, it will be a Kawai piano no matter where the company made it.


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On my Yamaha C3, behind the front leg on the left side facing the piano was a tag that said clearly “Manufactured in Japan November 2010”. On the GB1Ks, the tags clearly state “made in Indonesia”. KawaiDon spoke clearly about how Kawai differentiates country of origin. My 1993 Baldwin was made in the USA and had all the tags proudly proclaiming it, although that was towards the end of US manufacture. On the Yamaha website there is information on where each model is made.

Unfortunately it’s still a bit of a personal hang up of mine that makes me want to know the country of origin on my pianos and vehicles but I think we’re all going to have to accept the fact that pieces parts come from all over the world. At some point, pianos, like cars will say “35 percent Chinese parts 20 percent Indonesia parts 45 percent Japanese parts.”

We gone over this again and again on PianoWorld. It is the finished product that really matters. Does the piano sing beautifully when I play it?

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Originally Posted by KawaiDon
In today's business world, thinking carefully about this question will allow you to find the answer on your own, I think.

Are any products made COMPLETELY in any one country? Well, perhaps some Chinese made electronics, although even those often have components from Korea, Japan and the US. But most complex products are made using parts and components from many different countries.

For example, Kawai uses pinblocks made in the US. The hammer felt wool comes from Australia, although the felt itself and all of the hammers are made in Japan. Most of the soundboard spruce comes from Alaska and B.C. Canada. The music wire comes from Germany. So, no, the piano is not completely made of parts from Japan - but the GX pianos are completely built in Japan.

Kawai does make some piano models in Indonesia, and these are clearly marked indicating this. Kawai also has a lumber mill in Indonesia, so some of the wood material is initially milled there then shipped to Japan. Also, the Indonesian built pianos have many parts which come from Japan (especially actions). So, does that make them worse or better?

What I think is key is the company culture; the philosophy of design, material, and construction quality, that makes the product quality high or low. Japanese car companies have proven this by building cars in the US that have been rated among the highest in quality. Hyundai and Kia are building cars in Mexico that have excellent quality ratings also. Kawai pianos are known for the quality actions, a characteristic musical tone quality, and great longevity of the instruments. The company works hard to keep this consistent no matter where the pianos are built.

If you buy a Kawai piano, it will be a Kawai piano no matter where the company made it.

Hi Don.

Long time - no see.

Another point is that, generally speaking, the newest factories have the latest machinery and turn out a better product. One of the reasons Yamaha and Kawai were able to make great inroads in the 60's was that the U.S. manufacturers had plants built in the 20's and 30's, while Kawai and Yamaha had more efficient and more accurate factories built in the 50's and 60's. As their sales ballooned, the income generated (and wise management) allowed them to continually modernize while U.S. makers did not.


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Originally Posted by KawaiDon
In today's business world, thinking carefully about this question will allow you to find the answer on your own, I think.

Are any products made COMPLETELY in any one country?

Yes. There is a small range of German-made pianos that are wholly made in Germany. These instruments receive a seal especially certified by the German government for that purpose. The point of introducing that label was to undercut Asian companies shipping components to Germany, have them assemble a product, and then put a label "Made in Germany" on the end product. A practice that would undercut the integrity and quality that "Made in Germany" stands for. Austria has the same for food products locally sourced and sold. I'm sure examples could be multiplied. So the answer to your question is a resounding YES.

Certain countries still have an ethos to not make efforts to mislead the consumer, and have solid consumer protection laws.
Other countries don't.

And yes, this is 100% in response to the aggressive and not always transparent ways in which primarily Asian-sourced product has flooded the Western markets and undercut production standards attained in the last century or two.

I appreciate Kawai's and Yahama's honesty in that the piano serial numbers correlate to country of origin.

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PS. Here's the website for the "100% made in Germany" piano certificate, with additional info on that website as to which companies have earned that certificate: http://www.pianos.de/en/certificate
Website also emphasizes how some manufacturers only deserve the seal on certain of their instruments, see e.g. its discussion of Indonesian-sourced Seiler.

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