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I'm thinking that the P-515 or its successor will be the 88-key piano that will look like the second keyboard in my setup, today a Yamaha MOX-8 reigns alone on the set.

I would like to know the opinion of the forum colleagues about the possible natural evolution of this model, of course, only taking into account the previous launches of the brand in the P series, it is not possible to predict the future, but to give an opinion and try to speculate about the possibilities can become an interesting subject.

I thank you for the opinion of colleagues.

Hugs to all.

Rajane.

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“What is missing from the P-515”? Nothing!

...if you’re realistic about what to expect for a meager $1,500.

Some people expect a ‘concert-grand’ experience from a 1.5K slab, so I suppose for them “everything is missing”. For normal people, however, it is simply the perfect slab for the buck!

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Missing? Just one thing. Cup holders ...

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I own the P-515.
I would like them to completely redo the damper resonance. It is atrocious and I have to completely disable it every time I start the piano.
Also, I don't like the current Bösendorfer sample. It doesn't sound good at all. There is way to improve it, but it only get you so far.


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Compare the P515 vs the CLP645 vs the CLP745 and you should get the idea.

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I am waiting for a P515C, I hope it comes out soon. It would absolutely destroy everything else on the market.


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A rack under it to place a Mac mini for VST’s 😁 But first I say the cup holders...

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Nice things to add or change:
- registrations,
- volume sliders for parts R1, R2, L,
- replace that glossy plastic cheeks with something more scratch-proof, maybe wood imitation,
- include FC3a half damper pedal in the package instead of FC4a switch
- improve speaker boxes to not make whirring sound (resonance) on bassy sounds like Bosendorfer in low octaves at volumes over 50%


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Originally Posted by mareg
I own the P-515.
I would like them to completely redo the damper resonance. It is atrocious and I have to completely disable it every time I start the piano.

Are you talking about damper lift noise?


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I'm talking about how crazy bad the sound is when you sustain with the damper resonance effect at default value 5/10. It creates the most god aweful unreal sound.


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Originally Posted by RAJANE
I'm thinking that the P-515 or its successor will be the 88-key piano that will look like the second keyboard in my setup, today a Yamaha MOX-8 reigns alone on the set.

I would like to know the opinion of the forum colleagues about the possible natural evolution of this model, of course, only taking into account the previous launches of the brand in the P series, it is not possible to predict the future, but to give an opinion and try to speculate about the possibilities can become an interesting subject.

I thank you for the opinion of colleagues.

Hugs to all.

Rajane.

This is not how Yamaha works. The next major improvement to P-515 will be 10 years from P-515 release date.

The next version is the same with minor improvements. This is how Japanese companies work.


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Originally Posted by mareg
I'm talking about how crazy bad the sound is when you sustain with the damper resonance effect at default value 5/10. It creates the most god aweful unreal sound.

Hmm, sounds odd. I didn't notice it on P125s I've tried. Is that a new thing with the 515? I have damper lift noise on my Kawai digital, but that is the only sound involving a damper as far as I can tell. I ask because I'm considering a P515 and would be concerned if they add noise to the action that doesn't exist in an acoustic.

Any idea what the damper resonance effect is trying to mimic?


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I am not belittling the P-515.

Not even stating that this keyboard is not a great cost benefit.

I think this model is all good, it offers those who buy it a lot of resources at a very interesting cost.

Just thinking that the release date of your new version this next year I speculated on what could come from news in the next model.

To be a good news, the P-515, which is already good, must improve in something to be able to overcome itself, so I asked what is missing, it is not a criticism, it is just curiosity about how the good can become great.

What does the C after the number mean? What would a P515C be?

What evil. 10 years expecting something sub-substantial. It is better to believe that at least the new model will come with Fc3.

Hugs to all.

Rajane.


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Originally Posted by RAJANE
I'm thinking that the P-515 or its successor will be the 88-key piano that will look like the second keyboard in my setup, today a Yamaha MOX-8 reigns alone on the set.

I would like to know the opinion of the forum colleagues about the possible natural evolution of this model, of course, only taking into account the previous launches of the brand in the P series, it is not possible to predict the future, but to give an opinion and try to speculate about the possibilities can become an interesting subject.

I thank you for the opinion of colleagues.

Hugs to all.

Rajane.

That's hard to say. Depends a lot on the competition. I will test the FP90X and ES920 along side the P515, but it will be models released by Roland and Kawai among others that will shape Yamahas next portable.

It may not be updated any time soon either.

One thing about Yamahas sampling: it lacks the detail in tone that the Kawai sampling has. This is somewhat offset by having a greater sound clarity via the Binaural sampling.

There are a number of different ways they could address the problem, but it seems clear to me that the race for sampling supremacy will be hard fought. Nord have show how capable they are. If Nord can overcome the idiosyncratic dynamic control issue, they would have a good chance to release a killer portable piano. If that happens, all the major competitors will need to respond.

Clearly the big question about the P515 is the heavy action: none of their competitors have that issue. Indeed, Roland have progressively lightened their folded actions. Seems to me that the smart approach is to fix that action to better compete with their competitors.

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Originally Posted by mareg
I own the P-515.
I would like them to completely redo the damper resonance. It is atrocious and I have to completely disable it every time I start the piano.
Also, I don't like the current Bösendorfer sample. It doesn't sound good at all. There is way to improve it, but it only get you so far.

Originally Posted by mareg
I'm talking about how crazy bad the sound is when you sustain with the damper resonance effect at default value 5/10. It creates the most god aweful unreal sound.

You can make the instrument to remember your setting (I believe also damper resonance amount), you just have to set this in menu (in Backup Menu, set Voice to On as well as Other to On). Allows the most settings to be set in exact same state as you turned instrument off.

Originally Posted by RAJANE
I am not belittling the P-515.

Not even stating that this keyboard is not a great cost benefit.

I think this model is all good, it offers those who buy it a lot of resources at a very interesting cost.

Just thinking that the release date of your new version this next year I speculated on what could come from news in the next model.

To be a good news, the P-515, which is already good, must improve in something to be able to overcome itself, so I asked what is missing, it is not a criticism, it is just curiosity about how the good can become great.

What does the C after the number mean? What would a P515C be?

What evil. 10 years expecting something sub-substantial. It is better to believe that at least the new model will come with Fc3.

Hugs to all.

Rajane.

If you have another instrument, you can buy FC3A strictly for P-515 and use FC4A for another synth or less piano-like-experience demanding keyboard. As I did.

I believe the C in P-515C refers to Cup holder smile

If you don't expect any major upgrades in the P-series in next 10 years, maybe it is the time to buy one and enjoy?


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Originally Posted by mareg
I own the P-515.
I would like them to completely redo the damper resonance. It is atrocious and I have to completely disable it every time I start the piano.
Also, I don't like the current Bösendorfer sample. It doesn't sound good at all. There is way to improve it, but it only get you so far.

I like the resonances very much and have them all cranked up to max. I suspect however, these resonces are the same whatever piano you select.
The Bosendorfer is a great contrast to the CFX (inferior to the CFIII imo) but you get plenty for your money.
But I only use Pianoteq on it now anyway.
Hard to think of anything better, but most here seem to like it.


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I’ve come to a conclusion that all digital pianos , and vsts have their short comings .
However just focus on learning and loving to play piano. One day when u can get an acoustic piano and you’ll have no compromises.

That is what I plan to do. I have the p515 and a very old p155 which I don’t use much.

Digital pianos are just a supplement for people that don’t have the space or means to have real piano or need additional piano for volume control

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Jiltin, you obviously don’t use a digital keyboard for what it is best at... Producing multitrack music.
That’s fine. But it is an erroneous conclusion to think they are merely piano surrogates.


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I haven't touched the P-515 yet, but if its keys are heavy as they say, I'll love it.

What I had to study in old acoustics with heavy keys for not having my own piano, I can't even access it.

At home, you couldn't even train on the MOX8 because of the difference.

Nowadays I miss the weight of the old keys, maybe something like that, I got used to the weight of badly treated acoustic pianos.

Actually, I already have an FC3a, I will do exactly with the FC4a that comes with the P-515.

I need to wait for the P-515 to arrive at the stores, the forecast given to me here in my city is for after March 31 in the best option.

In Covid's time a lot of stores closed, and you have to wait for Yamaha to deliver to the shopkeepers.

For now, I can only speculate whether to launch a new model before I have the chance to buy what arrives here.

Hugs to all.

Rajane.


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I just now noticed this thread and skimmed the 2nd page of posts. I bought a Yamaha P515 last February. I played it exactly once at an assisted living facility (ALF) gig. Then the pandemic came thundering down on us.

For gigging in a smallish room, the onboard speakers could suffice. Or if needed I will (in the future hopefully) add a 10" or 12" powered Yamaha PA speaker (I'd have to check on the model).

The beauty in the P515 in my opinion is the brilliant engineering to create the plastic speaker cabinets - onboard. I noticed a bit of that bassy piano growl. Not a perfect piano - but damn better than I've heard previously.

I also bought a P121 for more compactness and especially much lower weight. It has a decent bass piano sound- no not perfection, but again, better than I've heard previously. I'm talking about onboard speakers on a portable piano.

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