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Hello all,
I am very new to this forum and am a complete novice when it comes to pianos. I represent a live theater venue. We have a model B performers sometimes use and for some reason the audio guys say they remove it to mic the piano, don't know why, but that's what I've been told.
Problem is, it now seems to have grown legs......
My question; Is it possible to find that little bugger and trade a pile of money to someone for one?
I do appreciate your time and thank you.

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What is "it" when you say "remove 'it' to mic the piano"?

Remove the entire piano? Track it by serial number?

Or remove some part of it and you need a replacement part?


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I bet he means the lid


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That was my thought too. But you'd think a Steinway B lid couldn't be all that easily lost - it ain't easy to pick up and carry.....

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Or is it maybe a hinge pin?

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Given the language of "link", I fear he may be speaking of the strut that is attached by bolts to the rest of the plate, spanning the tenor section of strings. I have read a post somewhere about sound guys having done this in another situation. Yikes!


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Yikes indeed! Amazing that any sound people would presume do do that.

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I think only the model D has that strut.


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I apologize, I realized too late to edit I had not mentioned it is the removable brace on the plate

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Originally Posted by deanbw
I apologize, I realized too late to edit I had not mentioned it is the removable brace on the plate
Good Lord,
Why would anyone remove that unless they were vandals.....?
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Originally Posted by accordeur
I think only the model D has that strut.
Looks like the B has it too - had to check online images!

I mean, it isn't 'removable' in terms of intended for removal! It's only "removable" in the sense that every screw and part in a piano is removable.....

But to answer the question, it should be possible to get a replacement from Steinway, if it is a modern Model B.

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Originally Posted by accordeur
I think only the model D has that strut.
Looks like the B has it too - had to check online images!

I mean, it isn't 'removable' in terms of intended for removal! It's only "removable" in the sense that every screw and part in a piano is removable.....

But to answer the question, it should be possible to get a replacement from Steinway, if it is a modern Model B.

Yes, I should of checked first too! I don't tune a lot of Steinways, obviously.


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Perhaps when you get a replacement, you should put a "Do not remove" decal on it.

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Something just doesn't sound right here.

In order to remove that strut, you'd need some serious gear with extremely good fit and torque level - and it's certainly not a job done just with a screwdriver to loosen those two screws. It would completely destroy the tension integrity on a tuned B - and in fact would render it unusable.

When this tale comes from sound people (I wouldn't call them engineers in this case), it's almost certainly the lid they removed and it's something two people can do within a minute by simply removing two metal pins from the respective hinges and carry the lid upright somewhere in a space between a cupboard and a wall.

I'd either start search looking for a place like that in the venue - or post a picture of what exactly is missing.

Although I admit that I find the speculations in this thread quite entertaining...

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Sometimes you can remove them easily, other times it is not so easy. They need to be removed to access some of the dampers.


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They usually come right out even with the strings at full tension. I can't tell any difference in the way the piano sounds or tunes with the strut out. I do put them back in the B's I rebuild. The models B,C and D all have a removable plate strut.


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But what is the point of taking it off for recording? Does it interfere with the flow of midichlorians or something?

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But what is the point of taking it off for recording? Does it interfere with the flow of midichlorians or something?
This is the part I’m dying to know.


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I have heard of this strut being removed before. It absolutely should not be. I remember a conversation by some piano techs at a Guild meeting years ago. My memory is really fuzzy. However I belive it was mentioned that removing this bar/strut would void the warranty of a new Steinway. However, since this is going on memory from a conversation 18 years ago I'm not sure. I would be curious to know if that's true or my memory is playing tricks on me.

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Well,

One has to ask the question: "If this piece is so important, why did they make it a "bolt in" piece rather than casting it into the complete structure"? There must be a reason for this. What is it? There is always a reason.

Similarly, the factory line on nosebolts has always been: "Don't ever ever ever...NEVER adjust a nosebolt...EVER!" Yet it gets done in the factory routinely (we know that for a fact), and it gets done in the field by those who know what they're doing (even factory personnel called to "fix" a problem in the field).

I'm pretty sure that the reason recording engineers sometimes remove it is due to preferred microphone placement. Some brave soul somewhere along the line probably asked if this thing could be removed to mix the piano (after all it is held in only with two bolts). "Well, let's give it a try and see what happens". Well nothing seemed to happen so word eventually got around in recording circles that you can take that "stupid" thing right out with no problem...

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