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Hi everybody!

Just researching this topic and am hoping for more input: Which keyboards provide a Release Velocity value, and how do those values behave?
Trying to find out, which thresholds will make sense to trigger different velocities of Key Release Noises that come with our Synchron Pianos.

E.g., on our Lachnit provides values of 115-121 with "normal playing", and you have to release a key explicitly slower to get lower values.

As far as I know, DAWs usually deliver a value of 64 per default...

Looking forward to your replies!

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I believe almost any digital piano with triple sensors provides release velocity and that means most modern digital pianos besides the cheapest entry-level pianos. One particular exception is the hybrid Kawai NV10 which due to its design cannot send release velocity. On my Yamaha AvantGrand N1X there's another scheme. MIDI release velocity is not being sent (64 used for note-off events), however there's continuous position of the key being sent as Polypressure. The software might interpret this continuous signal and deduce a release velocity from it and also apply other effects such as half-dampening on a per note basis (in contrast to the damper pedal half-dampening that affect all the notes). The N1X itself produces advanced effects such as per-note half-dampening, as well as advanced release behavior based on this continuous key (hence virtual damper) position.

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Paolo at vi-control (username ptram) that is "developing hardware digital pianos". He might have some insight.

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Originally Posted by CyberGene
I believe almost any digital piano with triple sensors provides release velocity and that means most modern digital pianos besides the cheapest entry-level pianos. One particular exception is the hybrid Kawai NV10 which due to its design cannot send release velocity. On my Yamaha AvantGrand N1X there's another scheme. MIDI release velocity is not being sent (64 used for note-off events), however there's continuous position of the key being sent as Polypressure. The software might interpret this continuous signal and deduce a release velocity from it and also apply other effects such as half-dampening on a per note basis (in contrast to the damper pedal half-dampening that affect all the notes). The N1X itself produces advanced effects such as per-note half-dampening, as well as advanced release behavior based on this continuous key (hence virtual damper) position.

Not the case for Yamaha. Many Yamaha digital pianos even in the range of $2000, don't provide the release velocity even with 3 sensors.

Yamaha CP88 doesn't have it and in P-515 is not clear (although some hints in the ref manual), probably because the hammer noise doesn't exist in these series from Yamaha.

Many Yamaha keyboards can receive it but can't produce it.

All of Kawai's mid-range+ slabs have the key-off velocity as far as I know.


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Originally Posted by Paul Kopf
Hi everybody!

Just researching this topic and am hoping for more input: Which keyboards provide a Release Velocity value, and how do those values behave?
Trying to find out, which thresholds will make sense to trigger different velocities of Key Release Noises that come with our Synchron Pianos.

E.g., on our Lachnit provides values of 115-121 with "normal playing", and you have to release a key explicitly slower to get lower values.

As far as I know, DAWs usually deliver a value of 64 per default...

Looking forward to your replies!

Best,
Paul

This may reveal my ignorance on this topic but I am curious so .....

Are you asking for keyboards which devulge their release velocity value ?

or

Are you asking for keyboards which allow you to change their release value ?

I ask because I do not know of any keyboards which allow you to change their release value. It is what it is .... as far as I know.


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Originally Posted by dmd
Are you asking for keyboards which devulge their release velocity value ?

or

Are you asking for keyboards which allow you to change their release value ?

I ask because I do not know of any keyboards which allow you to change their release value. It is what it is .... as far as I know.
Some keyboard send a different "Note Off Velocity" (release value) based on the velocity at which you release the keys, some don't. That's the distinction the OP is asking about.

I'm pretty sure Korg SV1/SV2 sends it. I hear it on its own sounds, and I would expect any board that used note off velocity internally to also send it over MIDI, or else the sounds wouldn't play back correctly if you use the board to record into a sequencer and then play back what you did.

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Thanks for all your answers so far!

Keep your ideas / knowledge / input coming, this is very interesting.

In our eyes, those Key Release Noises add a subtle quality and of course authenticity to the performance of any virtual piano, but you have to know what you're listening for.

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Originally Posted by dmd
Are you asking for keyboards which devulge their release velocity value ?

or

Are you asking for keyboards which allow you to change their release value ?

I ask because I do not know of any keyboards which allow you to change their release value. It is what it is .... as far as I know.
Some keyboard send a different "Note Off Velocity" (release value) based on the velocity at which you release the keys, some don't. That's the distinction the OP is asking about.

I'm pretty sure Korg SV1/SV2 sends it. I hear it on its own sounds, and I would expect any board that used note off velocity internally to also send it over MIDI, or else the sounds wouldn't play back correctly if you use the board to record into a sequencer and then play back what you did.

Ok .... Thank You

That is enough info for now.


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