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Is Haruka Kuroiwa a “concert pianist “? If so, then the score now stands at:

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Concert Pianist(s):1

I’d say opinions are giving ‘em pianists a beating, but who knows, them pianists might just come back from the grave and beat them opinions!

Place your bets!

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Today I walked into a piano store. 1 side has a few digital keyboards including a Korg Air G1 & Yamaha Clavinova. The other side has the acoustic pianos including a Yamaha U3 (Japan) with a silence lock for practice, Boston, Petrov (Czech Rep) & Salter (Germany). An acoustic you have hammers hitting strings so there is a bit of a bounce back when you press a key all the way down. The action on DPs you have something similar to a hammer hitting a nail. You don't get the same bouncing response. The sound of the DPs on display are quite close to the acoustics but the resonance (reverb) is not as noticeable after hitting a key.

The instruments I tried today (acoustics & DPs) the action are on the lighter side. The weighted key action is quite similar. I'm more used to the Yamaha Clavinova action since the room where my piano lessons were held a year ago has a few of them.

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Originally Posted by Pete14
This is a place for serious and profound discussions about how long your pivot is, so please, gentlemen and gentlewomen, keep it together (I’m looking at you, jeffcat). grin

I am in the 22cm club. I think 22cm is really enough pivot.

I'm not against 22+, but I don't think they should inflate prices based on pivot size. More simply <22cm pivots shouldn't exist. The cost difference in production is negligible. It affects the budget buyers unfairly.

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+1 on 22! heck, even 21 is fine (in most states)!

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Originally Posted by thepianoplayer416
Here is a video that was posted about 4 years ago featuring a Berlin Philharmonic performance of a Mozart concerto. Is the piano a Steinway? Bösendorfer? Fazioli? No, it's a Casio Grand Hybrid...



Sorry to say, a Fisher Price keyboard isn't up to par...

in this classical music period (Mozart), the DP can make the illusion because there is only little use of harmonic pedal. It could be very different with Romantic composers and after.

I still hear this Casio on the harsh side in the trebles, and rather inexistant in the left hand registers, compared to the grand Bechstein...

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Originally Posted by spanishbuddha
Should include people like Wakeman, Brooker, Booker, Fisher, Lord, Corea, Freeman, Rudess, Emerson, and so on, and so on, ... ... etc etc as having decades of concert experience and an opinion on this.

Not really. All were highly competent pianists but what they did easn't for the most part, exclusuively piano playing.
Agree, but whoosh!

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Originally Posted by doudou
Originally Posted by thepianoplayer416
Here is a video that was posted about 4 years ago featuring a Berlin Philharmonic performance of a Mozart concerto. Is the piano a Steinway? Bösendorfer? Fazioli? No, it's a Casio Grand Hybrid...



Sorry to say, a Fisher Price keyboard isn't up to par...

in this classical music period (Mozart), the DP can make the illusion because there is only little use of harmonic pedal. It could be very different with Romantic composers and after.

I still hear this Casio on the harsh side in the trebles, and rather inexistant in the left hand registers, compared to the grand Bechstein...

You're being a tad picky imo; sound systems can adjust for all the recording/YT shortfalls mentioned.. The collaboration between Bechstein and Casio is perhaps rather more than we all thought. The sweetness of tone makes for a complete instrument. Who'd want more? I use the Bechsteijn more and more in P'teq; a piano for all seasons!
I shall have to look into this. . . .


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Originally Posted by thepianoplayer416
Here is a video that was posted about 4 years ago featuring a Berlin Philharmonic performance of a Mozart concerto. Is the piano a Steinway? Bösendorfer? Fazioli? No, it's a Casio Grand Hybrid...



Sorry to say, a Fisher Price keyboard isn't up to par...
Honestly, to me that Casio sounds boxy, darker than a Bosendorfer and has a less singing, more percussive tone, compared to the acoustic one.

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"Concert pianist Simone Dinnerstein shows you what to look for in a digital piano by putting a handful of models to the test."

https://www.wsj.com/video/the-digital-piano-test/59CD5A19-8532-4CCF-AAB1-D14604C84955.html

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Originally Posted by magicpiano
Originally Posted by thepianoplayer416
Here is a video that was posted about 4 years ago featuring a Berlin Philharmonic performance of a Mozart concerto. Is the piano a Steinway? Bösendorfer? Fazioli? No, it's a Casio Grand Hybrid...



Sorry to say, a Fisher Price keyboard isn't up to par...
Honestly, to me that Casio sounds boxy, darker than a Bosendorfer and has a less singing, more percussive tone, compared to the acoustic one.

Well, looks like a great buy for a tad under £3K . . . ..


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Originally Posted by redfish1901
"Concert pianist Simone Dinnerstein shows you what to look for in a digital piano by putting a handful of models to the test."

https://www.wsj.com/video/the-digital-piano-test/59CD5A19-8532-4CCF-AAB1-D14604C84955.html

Good video, redfish1901! Thanks for posting it.


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Originally Posted by redfish1901
"Concert pianist Simone Dinnerstein shows you what to look for in a digital piano by putting a handful of models to the test."

https://www.wsj.com/video/the-digital-piano-test/59CD5A19-8532-4CCF-AAB1-D14604C84955.html

They add a text saying "Kawaii CA95" when image at that moment is showing the correct brand name on the fallboard. 🙄

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Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
Originally Posted by redfish1901
"Concert pianist Simone Dinnerstein shows you what to look for in a digital piano by putting a handful of models to the test."

https://www.wsj.com/video/the-digital-piano-test/59CD5A19-8532-4CCF-AAB1-D14604C84955.html

They add a text saying "Kawaii CA95" when image at that moment is showing the correct brand name on the fallboard. 🙄

Uh oh, she picked the avantgrande as her fav, the kawai zealots is coming out to defend their turf. Hahahaha.

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Originally Posted by peterws
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Originally Posted by thepianoplayer416
Here is a video that was posted about 4 years ago featuring a Berlin Philharmonic performance of a Mozart concerto. Is the piano a Steinway? Bösendorfer? Fazioli? No, it's a Casio Grand Hybrid...



Sorry to say, a Fisher Price keyboard isn't up to par...
Honestly, to me that Casio sounds boxy, darker than a Bosendorfer and has a less singing, more percussive tone, compared to the acoustic one.

Well, looks like a great buy for a tad under £3K . . . ..
Well, I don't know if actually it's the best you can pick in that price range... It would be nice to make a similar comparison where the same pianist plays with that Casio, then with a CA-99 and then with a Yamaha CLP-775.

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Originally Posted by redfish1901
"Concert pianist Simone Dinnerstein shows you what to look for in a digital piano by putting a handful of models to the test."

https://www.wsj.com/video/the-digital-piano-test/59CD5A19-8532-4CCF-AAB1-D14604C84955.html

They add a text saying "Kawaii CA95" when image at that moment is showing the correct brand name on the fallboard. 🙄

Uh oh, she picked the avantgrande as her fav, the kawai zealots is coming out to defend their turf. Hahahaha.

No Kawai zealot here, but, most Yamaha's I've heard sound like motorcycles! cry


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This needs an update. Those pianos are nearly ten years old. We need a new review ... using current models.
Originally Posted by redfish1901
"Concert pianist Simone Dinnerstein shows you what to look for in a digital piano by putting a handful of models to the test."
https://www.wsj.com/video/the-digital-piano-test/59CD5A19-8532-4CCF-AAB1-D14604C84955.html

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
This needs an update. Those pianos are nearly ten years old. We need a new review ... using current models.
Originally Posted by redfish1901
"Concert pianist Simone Dinnerstein shows you what to look for in a digital piano by putting a handful of models to the test."
https://www.wsj.com/video/the-digital-piano-test/59CD5A19-8532-4CCF-AAB1-D14604C84955.html

MacMacMac just volunteered laugh

Make sure you also include Pianoteq in your review wink

I'll get my coat......


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Originally Posted by Ralphiano
No Kawai zealot here, but, most Yamaha's I've heard sound like motorcycles! cry

The trouble is that IMO Honda's have a better touch and Suzuki's tone is better.

Just add, time to get past the "Acoustic good, Digital bad" syndrome. Many acoustics are appalling and should have been broken up years ago!

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Originally Posted by EPW
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
This needs an update. Those pianos are nearly ten years old. We need a new review ... using current models.
Originally Posted by redfish1901
"Concert pianist Simone Dinnerstein shows you what to look for in a digital piano by putting a handful of models to the test."
https://www.wsj.com/video/the-digital-piano-test/59CD5A19-8532-4CCF-AAB1-D14604C84955.html

MacMacMac just volunteered laugh

Make sure you also include Pianoteq in your review wink

I'll get my coat......

But, EPW... MacMacMac is no concert pianist. And what‘s even worse: He may be no engineer either!

Getting my coat, too. May I join you for a walk?

(Nice video - thanks, redfish1901!)


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I know about the Suzuki DP (https://www.lacartemusique.fr/pianos/piano-suzuki-hp3x-88-touches-toucher-lourd), but Honda’s would be a scoop !


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