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Hi,

I have a general question and a subordinated one.

1) How do Wilh. Steinberg grand pianos compare with the other more known pianos of brands like KAWAI or YAMAHA?

2) I was almost sure to buy a Kawai GL-10 (9,500 euro in Italy) baby grand due to budget constraints or to stretch my budget up to a Kawai GL-30 (13,500 euro in Italy); however, I had the opportunity to try a Wilh. Steinberg P152 (same size as the Kawai GL-10) and I liked its sound. The Wilh. Steinberg P152 costs 11,000 euro and I do not know how to compare it with the Kawais (it costs more and has a better sound than the GL-10, on the other hand, it costs less than the GL-30 that has a better sound). Is the price of the Wilh. Steinberg P152 fair compared to the price of a Kawai GL-10?

My main problem is that I collected a lot of information on the Kawai GL series (Millennium III action, longer key stick, reinforced keybed and key slip, reinforced stretcher bar, Roslau strings, double felted mahogany hammers, tapered soundboard) whereas I was not able to find almost anything on the Wilh. Steinberg P series.

Any one of you has more information?

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I recently asked a tangentially related question about my Wilhelm Grotrian WG-32, and didn't get many replies. I think there is just not that much detailed info in general on the German- Chinese pianos. I separately pinged forumite chen, who seems to be the Parsons rep, but have not heard back.

In one showroom, I played a Wilh. Steinberg grand in some flashier finish (given the selection of uprights I saw, it seems more of the emphasis is on veneers with Wilh. Steinberg), likely in the 152 size you're looking at, but I'd need to go back to the showroom to confirm. At the same place, I also tried a similar size K. Kawaii and preferred that "side-by-side". In general, for the Steinbergs I tried, I found the sound a bit dark and stifled for my taste, making it feel like I had to work a bit harder to get the sound I wanted. (Caveat: may have been influenced by showroom prep or newness as well?)

All that said, you can end up with a great value with a Parsons piano, particularly if you are able to pick and choose the tone and touch that speaks most to you. The emphasis on the Parsons made German brands are more on imported parts like Renner/Roslau/Kluge, so if you like the Millennium 3 action feel and it's important to you, I think that puts you into camp Kawaii.

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Originally Posted by grantbechway
The emphasis on the Parsons made German brands are more on imported parts like Renner/Roslau/Kluge, so if you like the Millennium 3 action feel and it's important to you, I think that puts you into camp Kawaii.

My difficulty is related to the scarce information available for the Wilh. Steinberg Performance series. I am not sure if it has the Renner action, nothing is said about the soundboard (is it tapered?). It seemed to me that it has not the agraffes. In general I know so much about the Kawai that makes sense as a whorth value.

Perhaps, the difference in sound was related to the different prep of the Kawai (the GL-30 I tried was not prepped at all). I was also surprised how light was the key action of the GL-30, even too much light.

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