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Been reviewing the Henle HN1347 of WoO 59 with fingerings by Rolf Koenen.

I feel a several of the fingerings are designed to add to the visual performance of the piece.

If you are familiar with this Urtext, any thoughts?

Or separately, is this something that is common? Maybe I am completely off here.

As I have been reviewing several Henle publications I have started to pick up this notion of fingerings
as not only promoting technical facility but visual expression as well.

Thanks for any feedback.

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Any particular part you have in mind? The only thing that comes to my mind is the alternating of hands when the main theme returns (but I don't have the edition you mention).

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Originally Posted by IntermedPianist
Been reviewing the Henle HN1347 of WoO 59 with fingerings by Rolf Koenen.

I feel a several of the fingerings are designed to add to the visual performance of the piece.
Assuming you mean Für Elise (other composers are available), the fingerings are designed to ensure that the student plays the right number of twiddles, and doesn't develop RSI from too many repetitive movements of his weak fingers (because all students have weak fingers) smirk .

BTW, a certain well-known pianist (who shall be nameless, unless someone names her) miscounts her twiddles.


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The Twiddles - I love that! :-)

(Could be the title of a novelty rag...)

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The Twiddles - I love that! :-)

(Could be the title of a novelty rag...)
I once composed a jazzy bluesy piece called "The Twiddles", in my teens.

Unfortunately, it was too difficult for me to play it then, and it's too easy for me to play it now....... whistle


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Can you provide a specific example of what seems to you a fingering for visual performance ?

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Insane idea, outside of Chico Marx and Victor Borges.

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Originally Posted by IntermedPianist
Been reviewing the Henle HN1347 of WoO 59 with fingerings by Rolf Koenen.

I feel a several of the fingerings are designed to add to the visual performance of the piece.

If you are familiar with this Urtext, any thoughts?

Or separately, is this something that is common? Maybe I am completely off here.

As I have been reviewing several Henle publications I have started to pick up this notion of fingerings
as not only promoting technical facility but visual expression as well.

Thanks for any feedback.
[quote=IntermedPianist]Been reviewing the Henle HN1347 of WoO 59 with fingerings by Rolf Koenen.

Urtext editions are done by scholars researching the music sometimes back to archives, publishing documents, and other sources to publish as close to what the composer intended. This includes any fingering the composer wrote. Often the composer won’t write in fingering then a scholar will do it. I have many Henle editions and they are my favorite, There are usually a lot of notes describing the scholars research into the piece. Ive never heard of fingerings for the sake of performing though. That’s a new one on me. I always strive to do the fingering that works best for me.

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Thanks for the input everyone. I think my question is answered as a resounding no.

Originally Posted by IntermedPianist
Maybe I am completely off here.

Yes you are completely off here!

I did learn something though, and that alternating hands in the twiddles may help a performer
keep track of the correct number of twiddles more easily.

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Originally Posted by Sidokar
Can you provide a specific example of what seems to you a fingering for visual performance ?
I think the OP is thinking of where the RH and LH alternate playing the D# E phrase before the main theme returns or the place where the LH and RH alternate playing E and the E above. Those places are fingered that way to help with the execution and not because of the way it looks to the audience.

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Originally Posted by Sidokar
Can you provide a specific example of what seems to you a fingering for visual performance ?
I think the OP is thinking of where the RH and LH alternate playing the D# E phrase before the main theme returns or the place where the LH and RH alternate playing E and the E above. Those places are fingered that way to help with the execution and not because of the way it looks to the audience.

Ha ! ok. Thank you for the info. Anyway I find some of the fingering in the Henle rather curious here and there.


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