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I found in the listings in the town nearby a grand piano Estonia 190.
It's from 1977, bought and stayed at one home for its lifetime.
I checked the piano and it does not have any noticeable issues, no sticking keys, no missing strings, hammers do not look very worn out.
The price is so great that I want to buy it, however, I do not know if its a good idea.
Has anyone had any experience with Estonias of that age?
Any professional tuner/technician would have to travel 300 km to check it out, so that's not an option for me.

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Here is the small video I took with my phone.
What I liked the piano is its dynamics. During forte the instrument came alive and the sound bloomed greatly, I have not witnessed this before (even though piano is out of tune).

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Estonia has lots of different periods. There are lots of Estonia threads here. There was the awful period, then the amazing period, and now I think[?] they are slipping into another not-so-great period. Each has to do with the county's governmental ownership of the pianos. You can tell which era is which by the logo on the fallboard and the stamping on the plate inside the piano. At their very best, they were amazing pianos at a very low cost because of the county's economics, so they were often severely underrated and overlooked. There are MANY Estonia owners on these forums. The pianos have an incredible European sound, too.

Estonia from 1977. Oof, not sure if that is part of the awful period or slightly before the awful period. HOWEVER, a piano that is from 1977 and still in great working order will probably continue to work in great order. Ultimately, though, if YOU like how it feels and sounds, then it's probably good for YOU. But don't take my word for it. Wait for some of the Estonia-experienced technicians to chime in.

(I am not a tech; rather I have A LOT of experience as a player with different eras of Estonia pianos. It was a small obsession for a while, we could say. In the meantime, while waiting for others to respond, search some of the Estonia threads on these forums. It should keep you busy for a day or two; not being sarcastic.)


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Speaking of dynamics, playing SOFTLY will tell you much more about the piano than playing loudly. If you can play very softly (assuming your skill as a pianist is not a factor), then you have a quality, well-cared-for piano. But loud is more fun, I know.


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You won't solve your problems by buying another very old, mediocre piano, all pianos of this age will need serious maintenance, there is no other way

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Any professional tuner/technician would have to travel 300 km to check it out, so that's not an option for me.

In my region there was a similar problem and it was solved in such a way that the the technician made appointments with multiple customers in a particular region and traveled there for a full day,

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that piano has some notes holding tune ok and some not at all, it is not a good sign of pinblock state, you need a technician to look at this

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The piano has not been tuned for 11 years, would not that be the reason?

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from this video it looks to me like some unisons are quite clean and some very bad, piano with good pinblock after 11 years should be more "evenly out of tune"

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The place I live in only has used grand pianos from Soviet era. Petrofs, weinbachs, sometimes german pianos like Bluethners, Geyer ans Zimmerman. Everything before 1990. The only new grand pianos that we have are in the Steinway shop, which costs a fortune and I dont see myself considering it in the near future smile
So I have to select something from the used pre 90s pianos.
If I buy this Estonia, I will definitely call a tuner/technician to regulate, tune and voice it.
The big question is, if well taken care of, will this instrument turn into something nice, or will it leave me frustrated.

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I read what the forum offered about the Estonias. Mainly people are talking about their new estonias of the 21st century. None about soviet era pianos. I read on another thread somewhere that estonias of 70's are good, this one is from 1977 but who knows...

I am very close to pulling the trigger and buying it. This is how it looks.
[img]https://ibb.co/3dQqF6X[/img]

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Searching informations about old pianos is pointless, if there is a problem it is most probably because of age, not because of what brand it is and if that piano has over 40 years some serious work is probably already done (new hammers, soundboard repair, restringing). Please get a tech to look at this, it is how you buy used piano. You says that it's cheap, how much they want for it?

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It is 1500USD smile

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good price for 190cm grand, can't argue with that, but only if there is no serious pinblock issue

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Make an offer! Who cares if you have to rebuild it!

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Thanks for your advice. I will.

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I did make an offer. It will be delivered tomorrow.

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Yay! Now the fun begins!

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smile yes. I hope it will be fun smile

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Oh, how exciting!


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