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Although if it's still PHA4, that's a hard pass for me. It's still the PHA4. Like like they've upgraded everything except for the key actions on all 3 FP models - they've switched business strategy from lead the industry to just gallop along with the rest of the horses. I mean, I'd say They're still top-dawg on having the biggest pivot for the $$. That's a big deal. I really wonder how hard it is to just change their metal stamp line to reduce by 20g.. It's perfect otherwise, I really think the FP10/30 are pretty great other than the action's weight. It's possible their joints have too much friction to use a lower ballast without affecting repetition.
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So presumably the FP90X is 'pure modelling' for piano sounds? I watched a couple of the videos; that bit about adjusting the notes ('like needling the hammer') - I wonder how this can be applied: a range of notes, individual notes, all notes.
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2020 and 2021 by far are taking Yamaha's slogan "repack and sell as a new instrument" to a whole new level. Kawai, Yamaha, Roland, Korg... you name it. They are doing it in broad daylight.
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Looks like Roland is moving many of their products to their Behavior Modeling Core chip (BMC). It's a proprietary Roland hardware platform (SOC, system-on-a-chip). For example, on their synths, Zen-Core runs on the BMC chip, in the pianos Supernatural modeling runs on the BMC. The BMC probably also explains all the new features. The previous model was the SSC (Sound System on a Chip). There's some info on it In this article (further down the page). https://www.roland.com/global/promos/jupiter-x_story/
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Any ideas of why FP-10 didn't receive an update? The only thing stopping me to buy a FP-10 today is really only the problem reported with noisy/clicking keys
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First response - fake sounding. If I play everyday, maybe my ears will adjust? 2020 and 2021 by far are taking Yamaha's slogan "repack and sell as a new instrument" to a whole new level. Kawai, Yamaha, Roland, Korg... you name it. They are doing it in broad daylight. I don't know, I think the middle range models are a significant addition to the marketplace. I love my ES110 but wish it had better speakers and better options for reverb and effects voila the ES520. I'm not a fan of Roland's direction with modeling but if I was the RD=88 would be on my radar.
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Poor FP-10, doesn't got an X. :<
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These new Roland models look interesting. I am glad they added line outputs and bluetooth audio support on their FPX series (especially the FP30X). Something missing from the FP30.
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So presumably the FP90X is 'pure modelling' for piano sounds? I watched a couple of the videos; that bit about adjusting the notes ('like needling the hammer') - I wonder how this can be applied: a range of notes, individual notes, all notes. FP90 has always been pure modeling. The original used the same SuperNATURAL piano modeling as on the LX-17 generation--no samples. Then, if you swing one way, you might believe that they then had a separate "V-Piano modeling" in the RD-2000 (others believe this was just another name for the same SuperNATURAL Modeling). After that, they definitely had a new generation of modeling for the LX-70x series in PureAcoustic piano modeling, which IMO sounds a LOT better than SuperNATURAL modeling. And I'm glad to see that move to the FP-90X. Oddly enough, with all the interest in modeling versus sampling, PureAcoustic has had almost no play here, nobody talks about it and very few people know about it. I wonder why that is...
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[/quote]FP90 has always been pure modeling. How do we know itโs pure? Has it been tested in a lab? Keep in mind that dealers tend to cut their product and still claim โitโs pureโ. So no, I will not accept this unless I see third-party certification confirming that the modeling in question is indeed 100% pure!
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Keep in mind that dealers tend to cut their product and still claim โitโs pureโ. So no, I will not accept this unless I see third-party certification confirming that the modeling in question is indeed 100% pure! Yea, no Stepped-on modeling for us.
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A new generation of sound engine can be interesting - it is one of the main part of a DP, but it would be interesting to test one to have something to tell about it. About ยซย pureย ยป, I has been borrowed from Yamaha (the Pure Analog Curcuit of the Montage). (And about pure modelling or an hybrid modelling... who care, what matters is that it sounds good).
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About ยซย pureย ยป, I has been borrowed from Yamaha (the Pure Analog Curcuit of the Montage). And "Pure CF Sound Engine". ๐
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A new generation of sound engine can be interesting - it is one of the main part of a DP, but it would be interesting to test one to have something to tell about it. About ยซย pureย ยป, I has been borrowed from Yamaha (the Pure Analog Curcuit of the Montage). (And about pure modelling or an hybrid modelling... who care, what matters is that it sounds good). AI trained convolution engine operating on samples. Why isn't this a thing.
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Although if it's still PHA4, that's a hard pass for me. It's still the PHA4. Like like they've upgraded everything except for the key actions on all 3 FP models - they've switched business strategy from lead the industry to just gallop along with the rest of the horses. They refer to PHA50-hybrid action for the 90X. Isn't that new?
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So presumably the FP90X is 'pure modelling' for piano sounds? I watched a couple of the videos; that bit about adjusting the notes ('like needling the hammer') - I wonder how this can be applied: a range of notes, individual notes, all notes. FP90 has always been pure modeling. The original used the same SuperNATURAL piano modeling as on the LX-17 generation--no samples. Then, if you swing one way, you might believe that they then had a separate "V-Piano modeling" in the RD-2000 (others believe this was just another name for the same SuperNATURAL Modeling). After that, they definitely had a new generation of modeling for the LX-70x series in PureAcoustic piano modeling, which IMO sounds a LOT better than SuperNATURAL modeling. And I'm glad to see that move to the FP-90X. Oddly enough, with all the interest in modeling versus sampling, PureAcoustic has had almost no play here, nobody talks about it and very few people know about it. I wonder why that is... Thanks. The other part of my question - I checked the FP90 user manual (can't find FP90X yet) and it appears that note adjustment is one note at a time, so question answered. Presumably other methods exist for overall tone, but I was interested in 'taming' the bass notes (every time I hear a Roland demo I hate the bass notes but the rest is often rather nice). Still, I'm in no hurry to buy for various reasons so......
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I read : ยซย PHA-50 Keyboard: Wood and Plastic Hybrid Structure, with Escapement and Ebony/Ivory Feel ยป. Then the hybrid term is just about the wood/plastic mix. Not something which could be compared to a N1X.
But it doesnโt seem to be an evolution of the PHA50. (The description of the LX7 keyboard is the same).
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Pure modeling? 99.9%, 99.99% where do we draw the line in the silicon LOL
I'm glad they added Audio over USB. It is a nice feature to have.
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Although if it's still PHA4, that's a hard pass for me. It's still the PHA4. Like like they've upgraded everything except for the key actions on all 3 FP models - they've switched business strategy from lead the industry to just gallop along with the rest of the horses. They refer to PHA50-hybrid action for the 90X. Isn't that new? the hybrid refers to the wood veneer on the keys. It's the same pha50 from the old FP90. This is a straight up push to capture pandemic stimulus checks. That said, It's definitely more generous than the other brands in terms of Pivot per Dollar.
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