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A host whose purpose serms to be annoying and a teacher incapable of focus for whatever reason. The student was the only one doing things right.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HtGlUnN2-Dc

Maybe by tbe end it gets better. I don't know. After 13 minutes i gave up.

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I thought the first ten minutes were excellent and I seen more than 100 live master classes. I can't even imagine what you found annoying about the host or unfocused about Mustonen's comments.

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I've only watched the first part, but I don't find it all that bad. Masterclasses can be difficult for both the student and teacher, because there is always limited time with which to communicate ideas, plus the teacher often doesn't have a history of working with the student, so they're making some comments/assumptions based on one hearing. But so far I would definitely not say this is the worst.


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I will say this, a public masterclass should always have two pianos so the student and teacher can each play seamlessly. That does present a logistical issue in this particular masterclass, where the teacher sits down, bumping the student off - the student should always be sitting and ready to perform, and if the teacher needs to demonstrate something, it should be on their own instrument


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These masters are all weirdos, comes with the territory. Out of respect we call it eccentricity. Exactly like how rich weird people are eccentric while poor weird people are just weird.

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I thought it was rather instructive.
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I clicked the link and watched the whole thing. I couldn't believe that the best part of an hour had passed.

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I was feeling ashamed about the video. He the teacher seemed to just happened to be there by some hazard or maybe he was forced to be there against his will, anyway his focus on the class was null. She the host only contributed to make it worst with her interruptions. Maybe they should have dropped the whole masterclass thing and make it more of a comedy show. That is not necessarily a bad thing. I cannot imagine for example Andras Schiff who takes his masterclass very seriously and makes them instructive and entertaining at the same time allowing himself to such chaotic approach, or letting a host interrupting his teaching with comments such as "gravity is not your friend if you are a girl".

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I throughly enjoyed the first 10-15 minutes I watched. When I have time I'll definitely watch the rest. It's beyond me what you found annoying in that video 🙄


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the issue is one single piano for a masterclass, even in a local conservatory they have 2 pianos in a single room for small children piano lessons....


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I watched it to the end. Fascinating and thanks for the link. The first part was a bit surprising because he didn't have much to say about how the student played, but unless I'm mistaken there wasn't much to say - except go a bit faster. The second (Ravel) was more interesting and the third probably even more so. In my opinion, definitely worth watching and I rather got to like the guy as it went along, but have to agree that the host(ess?) was rather irritating at times and the short time allowed for each student insufficient for the 2nd and 3rd pieces. What was odd was when the guy said he didn't know the piece (why have him giving classes on music he doesn't know? ah well, it seemed to work) and then advised / demonstrated how to play it...
I enjoyed it though and it was instructive.

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What's interesting to me is that they chose to livestream this masterclass in 2014. Was that not an uncommon format then? I figure it's normally live and recorded and then uploaded kind of thing at that time. Not that I know anything about that.

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Ok so I'm still listening. I'm amazed by his demonstration in the 3rd piece. The piece is transformed in his hands.
And someone asked the question of what makes pianist sound so different because they sounded totally different. I think he is being so gentle and chose to not answer the question. As if they sounded different by accident and not because he is better trained/experienced/more capable of producing those sounds. I feel like he could have addressed the actual technical components there (although he has been addressing it a bit before that)

Ok I spoke too soon. Someone else asked the question and I think the answer is quite interesting. Not a technical solution but it's about the ear training and pulling out the sound you hear. Pretty good answer, I think. Yes, it was not a bad masterclass in my opinion. Yes, the format was a bit funny and something about it maybe felt like he was in town and someone asked him a favor. But I won't argue with the results.

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I'm not really a fan of the masterclass format. It seems sometimes like a public humiliation ritual aimed at making the big-name performer look, well, "masterful". But of course nobody's forced to participate, so to each his own. And no, I've never participated in one. I think something like the Schiff Beethoven sonata lecture series is more instructive.

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Gubaidulina's Chaconne has some extremely difficult passages as it progresses (the young man playing the piece didn't get that far)--I'd love to watch/hear Mustonen sight read them!

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Originally Posted by Klavierman
Gubaidulina's Chaconne has some extremely difficult passages as it progresses (the young man playing the piece didn't get that far)--

I think the section that finishes just before he's cut off is almost unplayable as written. It's often turned into triplets with some rubato in places. The later section with the LH octaves jumping in 3rds and 5ths is tough as well. It's one of my favourite pieces.

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I hated being in masterclasses, often because I would do things in a way that my teacher would tell me to do, just for the clinician to tell me to NOT do things that way, but rather another way, which was often the way I wanted to do them before being told to do them another way. I always found them to be torture, like a punishment for students. smile And they move VERY quickly, so I was always lost and confused. And I was always the worst performer on the docket.

Of all the master classes I had done, none of them ever had two pianos. Must be regional or from the time period?


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Originally Posted by SonatainfSharp
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Of all the master classes I had done, none of them ever had two pianos. Must be regional or from the time period?

Or perhaps just a limitation of the facilities available in the venues in question.

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