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Originally Posted by navindra
Question for N1X owners -- how long does the N1X take to boot up from cold and be fully functional? I understand it doesn't restore most of the previous settings?

The Novus NV10 takes about 8 seconds for the default piano sound to be available, and another 12 seconds for the interface to load and the settings restored. So 20 seconds total.

I'm curious because I now have Pianoteq able to boot up cold and be fully functional (with full interface) in ~23 seconds. Even though it's on a Raspberry Pi and could be left on forever, I wanted to know what the baselines are.
NV10 takes 20 seconds for everything to be restored on the touchscreen. But, it starts sending Midi events at about 5 seconds. When I use NV10 with VST, if the PC is already on and running - I can start playing at about 5 seconds. Pretty fast!

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Originally Posted by EVC2017
@Navindra, how long does Linux itself take to boot? One way to expedite it is supressing log messages sent to the serial port. Its been long since I tried this but it made a significant difference (too much data sent through a fairly slow channel).

Good question. I launch Pianoteq via cron and supposedly the Pi reaches this at the 5 second mark. (I don't have to depend on cron, I also tried launching Pianoteq via systemd directly after basic.target, but in the end, cron remains my preference.)

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pi@pianoteq:~ $ systemd-analyze  
Startup finished in 1.674s (kernel) + 6.381s (userspace) = 8.056s 
multi-user.target reached after 6.353s in userspace

pi@pianoteq:~ $ systemd-analyze critical-chain cron.service
The time after the unit is active or started is printed after the "@" character.
The time the unit takes to start is printed after the "+" character.

cron.service @4.823s
└─basic.target @4.816s
  └─sockets.target @4.815s
    └─dbus.socket @4.815s
      └─sysinit.target @4.801s
        └─systemd-timesyncd.service @4.463s +335ms
          └─systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service @4.304s +139ms
            └─local-fs.target @4.261s
              └─boot.mount @4.211s +48ms
                └─systemd-fsck@dev-disk-by\x2dpartuuid-482a00f1\x2d01.service @3
                  └─dev-disk-by\x2dpartuuid-482a00f1\x2d01.device @2.916s

VNC+X+Pianoteq also take about 5 seconds to be fully functional, so in theory, 10 to 15 seconds should be well within grasp but there may be some other dependencies to take into account here.

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Originally Posted by Osho
But, it starts sending Midi events at about 5 seconds. When I use NV10 with VST, if the PC is already on and running - I can start playing at about 5 seconds. Pretty fast!

I noticed that. Are you able to boot up with local control disabled?

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Originally Posted by navindra
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But, it starts sending Midi events at about 5 seconds. When I use NV10 with VST, if the PC is already on and running - I can start playing at about 5 seconds. Pretty fast!

I noticed that. Are you able to boot up with local control disabled?

Yes, I created a favorite with local control disabled and made it the default.

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Navindara,

A suggestion for "always available" DP with VST (just in case you haven't considered): for the typical hours that I am using DP, I have setup 2 cron jobs to start the PC at a certain hour and suspend it to RAM at a certain hour. That way, PC is always ON for the typical time that I am using the DP. So, I turn the NV10 on and in about 5 seconds, I can start playing it.

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Originally Posted by Osho
Yes, I created a favorite with local control disabled and made it the default.

I suspect that at the 8 second mark or so you'll get a mix with the native sound until the Favorite is loaded.

Originally Posted by Osho
A suggestion for "always available" DP with VST (just in case you haven't considered): for the typical hours that I am using DP, I have setup 2 cron jobs to start the PC at a certain hour and suspend it to RAM at a certain hour. That way, PC is always ON for the typical time that I am using the DP. So, I turn the NV10 on and in about 5 seconds, I can start playing it.

Not a bad idea!

With the Raspberry Pi, I don't believe suspend is implemented, but a low power state could simulated by lowering the CPU speed to minimum and spinning down processes.

Either way, with the Pi it's a great setup already with 23 second boot time and it can be left on forever.

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Originally Posted by navindra
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Yes, I created a favorite with local control disabled and made it the default.

I suspect that at the 8 second mark or so you'll get a mix with the native sound until the Favorite is loaded.
Hmm.. no I never hear the NV10's built in sound. Kawai did a good job with that!

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Either way, with the Pi it's a great setup already with 23 second boot time and it can be left on forever.

Yeah, that's a nice set up.

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Originally Posted by navindra
cron.service @4.823s
└─basic.target @4.816s
└─sockets.target @4.815s
└─dbus.socket @4.815s
└─sysinit.target @4.801s
└─systemd-timesyncd.service @4.463s +335ms
└─systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service @4.304s +139ms
└─local-fs.target @4.261s
└─boot.mount @4.211s +48ms
└─systemd-fsck@dev-disk-by\x2dpartuuid-482a00f1\x2d01.service @3
└─dev-disk-by\x2dpartuuid-482a00f1\x2d01.device @2.916s[/code

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Originally Posted by navindra
cron.service @4.823s
└─basic.target @4.816s
└─sockets.target @4.815s
└─dbus.socket @4.815s
└─sysinit.target @4.801s
└─systemd-timesyncd.service @4.463s +335ms
└─systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service @4.304s +139ms
└─local-fs.target @4.261s
└─boot.mount @4.211s +48ms
└─systemd-fsck@dev-disk-by\x2dpartuuid-482a00f1\x2d01.service @3
└─dev-disk-by\x2dpartuuid-482a00f1\x2d01.device @2.916s[/code

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It may be worth noting that a significant portion of the boot sequence is calibrating the keys (according to the manual this is happening while the seven segment display is "spinning") and if you depress keys during this time, hilarity ensues when you try to play later. By hilarity I mean the keys you depress may not respond as you expect, typically odd dynamic response. I had to train my son to not press the keys to early smile

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I've had this happen on the NU1. I've often wondered if the NV-10 goes through a similar calibration, but since 1) it doesn't use gradient sensors that are likely more sensitive to changes in light levels; and 2) the hammer sensors *mostly* activate on a momentary movement, I've never been able to get it to trigger odd behavior during boot-up.

I think this lends credence to CyberGene's earlier statement that the N1X primarily uses the key sensors for hammer velocity, and only uses the fancy hammer sensors for edge cases/verification.


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I have tried hard not to venture into the N1X's menus but my tinkering bug got activated yesterday and I fired up Yamaha's Smart Pianist. But is does not seem all that "smart" as I could not connect to the N1X via Bluetooth. It connects fine via a USB cable. Is this just me, or can't a Bluetooth connection be made between these two?

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Originally Posted by NormB
I have tried hard not to venture into the N1X's menus but my tinkering bug got activated yesterday and I fired up Yamaha's Smart Pianist. But is does not seem all that "smart" as I could not connect to the N1X via Bluetooth. It connects fine via a USB cable. Is this just me, or can't a Bluetooth connection be made between these two?

I think you have to connect via wifi. I don't think Bluetooth is an option for connecting to the Smart Pianist app.

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I think you have to connect via wifi. I don't think Bluetooth is an option for connecting to the Smart Pianist app.

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Sadly, this seems so. I can see the N1X on other Bluetooth devices but not on not so smart Smart Pianist.

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Bluetooth on the N1X is for audio streaming only, alas. USB or the WiFi dongle are the only options.


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What do you think is an not acceptable key weight difference of an N1X to be coverred under waranty? My key down weight is between 58-60g and up to 65-68g.

If not covered under waranty, what is your guess of the cost to regulate a N1X down to about 50g?

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I wouldn't say it's a "warranty" issue per se, since acoustic grands also vary in key weight quite a bit, but if it's not to your liking, you should definitely work with your dealer to resolve it.


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Originally Posted by RonnieK
What do you think is an not acceptable key weight difference of an N1X to be coverred under waranty? My key down weight is between 58-60g and up to 65-68g.

If not covered under waranty, what is your guess of the cost to regulate a N1X down to about 50g?

Upweight/downweight is not something that’s ever covered by a piano warranty. It may not be possible to get it down that much without drilling and re-weighting parts, or substituting parts of a different design than what the manufacturer specified. Regulation and a little Teflon powder on the knuckles isn’t going to magically subtract 10g.


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Is 2 g difference in down weight (56-60g) and 3 g difference in up weight (65-68g)really that bad and noticeable that needs regulation on?

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Is 2 g difference in down weight (56-60g) and 3 g difference in up weight (65-68g)really that bad and noticeable that needs regulation on?
RonnieK should play a chromatic scale evenly, eyes closed, and note if either/or his hands/ears notice anything. After that the judgement should be made about needing regulation. I think but am not sure some note volume differences can be adjusted via the Yamaha Smart App which might help in some cases.

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