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Strange phenomena....
#3053100 12/05/20 12:55 AM
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This is strange , but there had to be a kind of mental block that I had for a year or 2. It seems to be wearing away, Because now I can play a little more "harder to practice" pieces. I kept at it even in spite of the feeling with easier pieces, but still.... Does this happen?




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piano_primo #3053363 12/05/20 05:07 PM
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You may be experiencing something I've experienced. I am self taught. I read this forum and consider all the advice given by our more senior members. I then try to incorporate the advice that sounds helpful into my playing and practice.

There have been several episodes of my having sudden, unexpected improvements in my play when a concept that I have only cognitively learned by reading this forum (in other words, I can understand the concept and even explain it to others in words), makes a shift and becomes part of my actual physical movements and actions of playing the piano. I go from a state of knowing something while unwittingly not applying it, to a state of applying it after a minor epiphany opens the door to me actually doing it.

For example, without thinking about it, I had always tried to "walk" my hands up and down the keyboard, much like you walk from one spot to another. Each finger, upon playing its key, was then also used to propel my hand in the direction of the next note by pushing my hand in that direction, just like our legs do when we walk. Some time ago, I had cognitively learned about the practice of moving one's hands laterally up and down the keyboard while positioned just above the keyboard, but, had never put that into practice. It has sometimes been described as "floating" above the keys.

I recently undertook learning Sonatina in C Major, mvmt 3, by Clementi. In it, there is a fast downward scale of about an octave and a half, that immediately follows from a short upward scale, These must be played quickly, including the turn. I was unable to do it with my walking motion. I do not know what, but, something triggered me to try floating my hand above the keys as I went up, turned, and went down the scale. In very short order, I was able to play the section, modestly, and have progressed with it since.

I think my prior cognitive knowledge, though it lay dormant for some time, was not forgotten.
And, when the need arose, it was there to help me solve a problem. I have experienced this same process on several occasions. I wonder if you are experiencing the same or something similar.


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piano_primo #3053394 12/05/20 06:40 PM
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I have experienced things like that. It's kind of like you're subconsciously thinking about it over and over in your head and when you get back to the keyboard your mind has already worked things out.


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I don't want to get too "theoretical-science-nerd mode" especially being the newbie here, but the human brain is complicated to describe 100%. Yes it is an organ, and a vital one at that. However on a cellular level, especially when learning or practicing anything requiring cognitive focus, the brain can almost be describe as a "muscle." Well at least analytically speaking. Like any muscle in the body, you need to rest it when it's "overworked." The problem that many people (including myself) have, is that we don't "feel fatigue" like other muscles in our body (i.e. lactic acid from actual muscles when working out, etc.). So sometimes if we get in the zone, we don't think much of anything. So we just keep pushing forward. Where I am going with this may spark many a debate, and this is not my intention. I simply want to give you my two cents on this. I really believe an SRS based approach on things like piano, and many other skills need to be done in a systematic rotation for your brain to truly "digest" what it just did. Maybe you should try incorporating small practice chunks in tandem with breaks to see your progress. Sounds like you're doing really well though, and I am happy for you! By breaks, I mean doing ANYTHING other than playing. Heck you can even listen to the pieces on repeat or go take a walk. Just a thought. Keep on making that progress!

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Ralphiano #3053453 12/05/20 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Ralphiano
You may be experiencing something I've experienced. I am self taught. I read this forum and consider all the advice given by our more senior members. I then try to incorporate the advice that sounds helpful into my playing and practice.

.... I go from a state of knowing something while unwittingly not applying it, to a state of applying it after a minor epiphany opens the door to me actually doing it.

For example, without thinking about it, I had always tried to "walk" my hands up and down the keyboard, much like you walk from one spot to another. Each finger, upon playing its key, was then also used to propel my hand in the direction of the next note by pushing my hand in that direction, just like our legs do when we walk. Some time ago, I had cognitively learned about the practice of moving one's hands laterally up and down the keyboard while positioned just above the keyboard, but, had never put that into practice. It has sometimes been described as "floating" above the keys.

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I think my prior cognitive knowledge, though it lay dormant for some time, was not forgotten.
And, when the need arose, it was there to help me solve a problem. I have experienced this same process on several occasions. I wonder if you are experiencing the same or something similar.


Yes, ; similar to a mental cybernetic theory- technique... Wblynch and Ul7 - good concepts for me think over.




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piano_primo #3053903 12/07/20 02:20 AM
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Music and hand muscle/finger muscle memory needs time to cement in one's brain and body. I definitely find that after a passage of time, I can go back to some pieces I considered "way above my level" or "too hard" and find some sections to not look as daunting as the first time I saw it. I think this is true for everyone, its easier to learn something that you may have some familiarity with than a completely new piece which you may have never looked at or heard before.


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It has been my experience generally, and specifically in my work with mathematics, that vague ideas which are touched upon and then left aside because they seem too daunting to explore fully, are somehow worked out in the "back of my mind", and later (e.g. a year later) I utilize these same ideas fully without at first realising that they posed an insurmountable obstacle some time ago. It is as if the learning of the concept takes place subconsciously.

It would not surprise me in the least if this same process happens to us as piano players. Exactly like AssociateX, I have gone back to find pieces, that I once deemed beyond my capabilities, to be now quite accessible.


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