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Best Headphones for Digital Piano - your experience
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Hi,

I am looking for good headphones for digital piano. I've seen a lot of articles and there are often similar models, but maybe you have some proven and good headphones that you can recommend

I'm currently inclined to buy SENNHEISER HD 599 found almost new for around $100 and this is my maximum budget

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The HD599 are very nice headphones. A lot of people prefer open headphones which those are. You will be happy with the sound.
At the end of the day you want nice comfy headphones which the Sennheiser over the ear models are so you can wear them happily day after day.


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I had the HD599 for a long time and they were good, if lacking in some respects. However Sennheiser just launched the HD560S which were designed to bring the performance of the 6 series down in cost. These are what I use now, and I must say a significant step up, especially a flat frequency response and expanded dynamic range, both being very useful for the piano.

Not USD100 though!!


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At $100 you probably can't get anything better than the HD599.


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Originally Posted by lukasz-zsakul
Hi,

I am looking for good headphones for digital piano. I've seen a lot of articles and there are often similar models, but maybe you have some proven and good headphones that you can recommend

I'm currently inclined to buy SENNHEISER HD 599 found almost new for around $100 and this is my maximum budget

Where did you find 599s for $100? Amazon price (new) is $199:

https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD-599-Open-Headphone/dp/B01L1IICR2

Thanks....


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Originally Posted by dr_z
I had the HD599 for a long time and they were good, if lacking in some respects. However Sennheiser just launched the HD560S which were designed to bring the performance of the 6 series down in cost. These are what I use now, and I must say a significant step up, especially a flat frequency response and expanded dynamic range, both being very useful for the piano.

Not USD100 though!!

How about for TMJ (Jaw Joint) Sufferers?

I am looking at both the 599 ($199, Amazon) and the HD560S (same).

I just received (and am immediately returning) Beyerdynamic 770 Pro (closed). I am in a noisy environment. Horrible TMJ (jaw) pain after 2 minutes!

I've never owned Senns. Are either of these easier on the head (jaw) pressure? How about the $300 HD600s? Worth the extra hundie? Thanks...


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I would highly recommend beyerdynamic DT 770 PRO - have worked really well for me.

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I would highly recommend beyerdynamic DT 770 PRO - have worked really well for me.

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That is what I received last night and am returning Monday. HORRIBLE TMJ pain! Can't use for even 5 minutes!

As to the soundstage, I felt it was distant and I was not sure where the piano sound was coming from.


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Originally Posted by Skyscrapersax
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How about for TMJ (Jaw Joint) Sufferers?
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I don't have TMJ problems.

If I did, I'd try earbuds (low price) or "in-ear monitors" (IEM's) or "earphones".

They weigh almost nothing, and the clamping pressure is exactly 0:

. . . but you have to tolerate having things inside your ear canal.

I've used Shure SE215's for years. They're "single-driver", and IMHO they sound as good as $100 phones like Senn HD280 and AKG K240 Studio (I own both of those).

There are cheaper models, and more expensive ones with multiple drivers. Shure SE112 ($50 US) and even Skullcandy "Ink'd" earbuds ($ cheap) are worth a try.

Those are all "closed-back".


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Originally Posted by Skyscrapersax
. . .

How about for TMJ (Jaw Joint) Sufferers?
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I don't have TMJ problems.

If I did, I'd try earbuds (low price) or "in-ear monitors" (IEM's) or "earphones".

They weigh almost nothing, and the clamping pressure is exactly 0:

. . . but you have to tolerate having things inside your ear canal.

I've used Shure SE215's for years. They're "single-driver", and IMHO they sound as good as $100 phones like Senn HD280 and AKG K240 Studio (I own both of those).

There are cheaper models, and more expensive ones with multiple drivers. Shure SE112 ($50 US) and even Skullcandy "Ink'd" earbuds ($ cheap) are worth a try.

Those are all "closed-back".

I have some $50 CCA in ears. They are supposedly 95% of the $500 Wetstones. They don't cut it for piano.

My main headphones for many years have been AKG 271 Mk ii (upgrande from the 240s). They totally fell apart after many years of service (and no TMJ pain). I'm shopping for an alternative before I simply buy a replacement pair of 271s.


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I paid $99 for Sennheiser 599SE phones on Black Friday. I guess they often go on sale at that price? At least that's the impression I got.

I was replacing some ancient, cheap Panasonics. To be honest, I can't say the Sennheisers are any better! They're louder, & using a 1/4 inch plug sounds a tad fuller than using a 1/8 inch plug. If I'd paid $199, I'd be upset. But they are super comfortable, no hissing or any other crackles or pops, & the open backs don't make the sound thin as I'd feared. I can still hear what's going on around me (even if my husband runs his bath water upstairs!) but surprisingly these outside noises don't intrude with the piano sound. For $99, I like them fine.

Using them with a Korg C1 Air.

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I am looking at both the 599 ($199, Amazon) and the HD560S (same).

I just received (and am immediately returning) Beyerdynamic 770 Pro (closed). I am in a noisy environment. Horrible TMJ (jaw) pain after 2 minutes!

I've never owned Senns. Are either of these easier on the head (jaw) pressure? How about the $300 HD600s? Worth the extra hundie? Thanks...

The HD560S have reduced skull pressure from the earlier design of HD599. However these are all open headphones with NO sound isolation whatsoever.

I tend to have heat trapping issues with earcups and so tried Monoprice M300 (now M350) -- but they are flawed in their own ways.


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I worked in TV for a couple of decades and the Sony 7506 was the headphone standard. Maybe I’m just used to the 7506’s but I like them better than the Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro’s that I tried for a couple of weeks before returning. The 7506’s are $90 at Amazon.
You can read all the reviews and listen to a lot of advice but there’s no substitute for actually trying them. That said they’re both good phones for the money and you’ll probably be happy with either.

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Originally Posted by DFx
I worked in TV for a couple of decades and the Sony 7506 was the headphone standard. Maybe I’m just used to the 7506’s but I like them better than the Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro’s that I tried for a couple of weeks before returning. The 7506’s are $90 at Amazon.
You can read all the reviews and listen to a lot of advice but there’s no substitute for actually trying them. That said they’re both good phones for the money and you’ll probably be happy with either.

Thanks, I'll check out those Sonys. I apparently can't return my Beyerdynamic 770 Pros.... store policy excludes (in the really fine print), headphone returns....


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In terms of comfort, i own or owned the BD 990, Senn hd650, 599, 598, AKG, ... the most pressure free is the AKG 702 (the headband has no points either). I can wear them for hours with no issues. Now all these though are open so wont isolate from external noise. The AKG are more difficult to drive than some others so the piano must have a good built in amp. And the AKG will have a clearer sound with less bass than any of the Senn or Beyer. But you can get one at around 100 box.

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Talking about AKG, I've been very happy with my AKG K 240 and K 240 Mk II over the years.

The Mk II is is a bit fuller in the bass, sometimes that's good, sometimes I prefer the more neutral Mk I. VERY comfortable to wear, and I find the half-open concept just right in its level of isolating/not isolating you from your environment.


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It is really incredible how the same headphones could cause such a diverse physical and acoustic sensation... I am sorry as I recommended the DT-770 Pro which, in my case, are extremely comfortable and sound pretty well. But it seems it is not the same, not even closer for some of you.

On the other hand, I immediately returned a 99€ BF bought Sennheiser HD-599 as I could not stand then for more than 15 minutes!. Go figure...


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Originally Posted by EB5AGV
It is really incredible how the same headphones could cause such a diverse physical and acoustic sensation... I am sorry as I recommended the DT-770 Pro which, in my case, are extremely comfortable and sound pretty well. But it seems it is not the same, not even closer for some of you.

On the other hand, I immediately returned a 99€ BF bought Sennheiser HD-599 as I could not stand then for more than 15 minutes!. Go figure...

No need to worry! I bought the Beyerdynamic HD 770s prior to seeing your post. Since I've been dealing with saxophone mouthpiece TMJ issues, headphone TMJ issues simply was not on my radar! What didn't you like about the 599s in terms of comfort? TMJ issues? Or simply uncomfortable? I'm looking for closed (noisy environment here, plus I want closed cans for recording my saxophone and can't have headphone bleed). So I'm considering the Sennheiser HD280s (closed, $99), a studio staple. Thanks.


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Originally Posted by Sidokar
In terms of comfort, i own or owned the BD 990, Senn hd650, 599, 598, AKG, ... the most pressure free is the AKG 702 (the headband has no points either). I can wear them for hours with no issues. Now all these though are open so wont isolate from external noise. The AKG are more difficult to drive than some others so the piano must have a good built in amp. And the AKG will have a clearer sound with less bass than any of the Senn or Beyer. But you can get one at around 100 box.

AKG 702s are $349 at Sweetwater. Where did you see them for $100?

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/K702--akg-k702-open-back-studio-reference-headphones

They are also open back, not closed.


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I also like the AKG 702 most. They have mini XLR Jacks.
So you can change the cable , if the cable is broken.

In my opinion better than BD 990 pro , because the BD increase the
low frequencies. This produces a synthetic sound with modeled sounds of
the Roland RD 2000.

I paid 120€ in Germany.


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