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Upright Thoughts? (Kawai v Seiler v Boston)
#3052520 12/03/20 04:42 PM
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I've been all over the map with this search in recent weeks. BUT... After spending the past month searching for a small grand (to no avail), I've come to the conclusion that I can't really fit a small grand in my space at home in the first place, and should instead be considering the best possible upright I can get with my $$. I thought I'd be more disappointed in that realization, but I'm actually kind of charged up now that I know what I'm really looking for. Budget is $10K max, and I've found the following pianos especially interesting:

Seiler SE 116 (used)
Seiler ED 126 (new)
Boston UP126 (used)
Kawai K300 Aures (new)

Thoughts about Seiler v Kawai v Boston uprights? Any others I should consider in this range? I've played three different U1s and didn't like the sound of any of them, so maybe that option is out.

I like the Kawai's tone overall, but the Seiler 116's action felt really refined and elegant to me, maybe because it's the only used one of the bunch and has been "broken in" already? The Aures is especially intriguing as a work piano for me--the midi-out alone could be a game-changer when it comes to improvising/composing. The Boston I probably need to play again--I really wanted to like it, but it wasn't hitting me right out of the gate and I only had a few minutes to play at the time.

Always willing to try more options, though. The right piano will hit me when it hits me.

Re: Upright Thoughts? (Kawai v Seiler v Boston)
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The SE 116 is from their top series, actually built in Kitzingen, Germany with a Renner action. It started life as a more expensive piano than the rest of the ones on your list. I have not played with the Aures yet, so I can't comment on that.


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Re: Upright Thoughts? (Kawai v Seiler v Boston)
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Re: Upright Thoughts? (Kawai v Seiler v Boston)
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The K500 (non-Aures) is probably about the same price as the K300 Aures and sounds quite a bit nicer. I've played them both, the action on the K500 is also different, I think the keys are longer, so the touch is noticeably better. It's not that much taller than the K300 but the cabinet design is different so the bass stings are longer. It also has duplex scaling, I don't know how much value that has but the marketing department likes it. In my opinion the K500 sounds better than the GL-10 and 20, the two small grands. You'd have to decide how much the digital feature of the Aures is worth to you, or up your budget if you want to get it on the K500. There is also a slight difference in touch between the aures and non-aures version of the K pianos. If you put them right next to each other and you already know how to play, you'll be able to feel the difference. It might not matter to you, but you will notice it. My personal view on digital functionality is to buy a separate digital piano if you need one for midi or silent practice. When it breaks throw it out and buy a new one, they get better every year.
I'm no help on any of the other pianos, I never played Seilers and didn't care for the touch of the Boston or the relatively high price.


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In your price range you could also check out W.Hoffmann T122. This is a model from Bechstein (and therefore available from Bechstein dealers) and build in the Czech republic, near Praque. Here is a video from Merriam about the T122:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=47v02-QhBMk


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That Hoffmann sounds lovely... but there's only one dealer that carries Bechstein in my area, and while they have a full Bechstein line, they carry only grands from Hoffmann. I'd love to try one!


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