2017 was our 20th year online!

Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 3 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments.
Over 100,000 members from around the world.
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Shop our online store for music lovers
SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Best of Piano Buyer
 Best of Piano Buyer
(ad)
Faust Harrison Pianos
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinway pianos
(ad)
Wessell Nickel & Gross
PianoForAll
Who's Online Now
87 members (ambrozy, anotherscott, accordeur, 36251, 8ude, Animisha, Abdol, AndrewJCW, 19 invisible), 654 guests, and 580 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Yamaha C2x and C3x Cost???
#3052118 12/02/20 04:10 PM
Joined: May 2020
Posts: 13
N
Junior Member
OP Offline
Junior Member
N
Joined: May 2020
Posts: 13
Hello everyone. I'm considering to upgrade to either Yamaha C2x or C3x.

Anyone here who has it- if you don't mind telling me how much should I pay for these pianos out the door? Used vs new? Your experience? I've read old posts but those are 5 years ago. I don't want the dealer to take advantage of me. I understand they have to earn to survive but I don't want too much mark up. I need to be wise with this big tag purchase.

Thank you laugh


Yamaha C3 PE | Yamaha AvantGrand N2 | Yamaha CLP-645 | Yamaha P-140s
Re: Yamaha C2x and C3x Cost???
navi9187 #3052173 12/02/20 06:48 PM
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 24,617
Gold Subscriber
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Offline
Gold Subscriber
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 24,617
Check out PianoBuyer.com (link is on the left) for a list of current prices, new, as well as a depreciation calculator which should give you rough guidelines on how to calculate prices of used pianos. However, used prices will depend on more variables than may be in the depreciation calculator - primarily dependent upon condition of a given piano and the current market in your area - but it's a starting point.

Regards,


BruceD
- - - - -
Estonia 190
Re: Yamaha C2x and C3x Cost???
navi9187 #3052971 12/04/20 06:32 PM
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 13
D
Junior Member
Offline
Junior Member
D
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 13
@navi9187: just sent you a private msg for the price I paid recently

Re: Yamaha C2x and C3x Cost???
navi9187 #3053082 12/04/20 11:15 PM
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 130
A
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
A
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 130
While we are on the subject: as a general rule i have observed Yamaha to be slightly higher (10-20%) in price than equivalent pianos from Kawai : i.e an c2x vs a GX2).

I am curious if people think this is justified


Shigeru Kawai SK2
Casio PX-870
Former owner of Petrof 131
PianoWorld Member/Lurker since 1999
Re: Yamaha C2x and C3x Cost???
almo82 #3053434 12/05/20 08:18 PM
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 11
M
Junior Member
Offline
Junior Member
M
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 11
Originally Posted by almo82
While we are on the subject: as a general rule i have observed Yamaha to be slightly higher (10-20%) in price than equivalent pianos from Kawai : i.e an c2x vs a GX2).

Specific to the comparison you use, and for disclaimer, I have a Kawai GX2. The Yamaha C2X is 5 ft 8 inches long. The Kawai GX2 is 5 ft 11 long, so it has longer strings and a larger soundboard that is also tapered (unlike the C2X). The Kawai has longer keysticks and a thicker rim. And it has a modern action that is common across their range including the top-of-the-line SK range. So in this comparison, I do not think the Yamaha deserves a price premium.

Merriam pianos has a comparison review of these two popular pianos on their YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4IKYo-CqFQ&t=193s

Re: Yamaha C2x and C3x Cost???
navi9187 #3053460 12/05/20 10:16 PM
Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 217
R
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
R
Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 217
Disclosure: I bought a C3XSH two years ago at 61%+Tax+Delivery of Pianobuyer Suggested Maximum Price at that time (SMP x 0.61). I'm not a dealer.

I'm in a large piano market on the west coast, and when I was shopping two years ago, I saw Kawai GX2/3 and Yamaha CX2 as low as 50% of SMP, more typically 55-65% of SMP.

I think with the pandemic, the demand for pianos have been higher than the supply, so I won't expect bargains like that.

Best of luck!

Re: Yamaha C2x and C3x Cost???
MiddleA #3053461 12/05/20 10:23 PM
Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 217
R
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
R
Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 217
Originally Posted by MiddleA
Originally Posted by almo82
While we are on the subject: as a general rule i have observed Yamaha to be slightly higher (10-20%) in price than equivalent pianos from Kawai : i.e an c2x vs a GX2).

Specific to the comparison you use, and for disclaimer, I have a Kawai GX2. The Yamaha C2X is 5 ft 8 inches long. The Kawai GX2 is 5 ft 11 long, so it has longer strings and a larger soundboard that is also tapered (unlike the C2X). The Kawai has longer keysticks and a thicker rim. And it has a modern action that is common across their range including the top-of-the-line SK range. So in this comparison, I do not think the Yamaha deserves a price premium.

Merriam pianos has a comparison review of these two popular pianos on their YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4IKYo-CqFQ&t=193s

Kawai makes nice pianos, but Merriam is an Authorized Kawai dealer (but not a Yamaha one). I like his videos, but there is definitely a Kawai bias. Note that his review of the C2X occurs at a different dealership!

When I was shopping two years ago, I compared two different GX3 and two different C3X over many weeks. I could have bought the GX3 at 10k USD cheaper than the C3X, but I ended up with the Y.

Buy the piano that you like.

Re: Yamaha C2x and C3x Cost???
navi9187 #3053506 12/06/20 02:08 AM
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 13
D
Junior Member
Offline
Junior Member
D
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 13
I recently bought a new C2X. GX2 was about $5.5k cheaper than C2X. Both are great pianos, and I bought the one I like.

Re: Yamaha C2x and C3x Cost???
navi9187 #3053525 12/06/20 04:40 AM
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 130
A
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
A
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 130
I agree both are great pianos (disclaimer: I own a Shigeru Kawai).

However i consider them broadly comparable - so I don’t se the price difference as being justified:

My Shigeru (an SK2 so 5’11” ) cost just a touch more than a c3x - to me that was no contest. An equivalent Yamaha( the slightly larger s3x) Would have Cost much 50% more than the Shigeru.

While taste and personal preference do matter: these pianos are roughly equivalent- so why the difference in price?

Note prices are from About two years ago.

Last edited by almo82; 12/06/20 04:42 AM.

Shigeru Kawai SK2
Casio PX-870
Former owner of Petrof 131
PianoWorld Member/Lurker since 1999
Re: Yamaha C2x and C3x Cost???
navi9187 #3053559 12/06/20 08:34 AM
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 2,384
2000 Post Club Member
Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 2,384
I'll send you a PM. I went from an AvantGrand N2 to a Yamaha DC3X.


♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
Yamaha C3X
YouTube
[Linked Image]
Re: Yamaha C2x and C3x Cost???
navi9187 #3053569 12/06/20 08:59 AM
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 2,384
2000 Post Club Member
Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 2,384
PS - Going by PianoBuyer, we paid 65% of SMP. After that we got 6K for the N2 and 1.5K for the Kawai upright as trade-ins.

Note, we tried many pianos. I also wanted the W. Hoffman T186. It's really nice piano I think. The S5X was also very nice, but much more expensive. Steinway? Tried several at several different locations, couldn't justify the cost over the other pianos.


♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
Yamaha C3X
YouTube
[Linked Image]
Re: Yamaha C2x and C3x Cost???
navi9187 #3053622 12/06/20 11:32 AM
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 6,219
6000 Post Club Member
Offline
6000 Post Club Member
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 6,219
navi9187, are you buying a brand new Yamaha? How exciting!

I see you currently own a C3, how old is it? I bought a 20 y/o C2 last year, but not being an "X" I assume it has the same specs as your C3.

I see you have an AvantGrand, a Clavinova and a Yamaha digital piano as well, wow! You must be an even bigger fan of Yamaha than I am! grin

So, owning a C3 as well, how often do you play the hybrid or digital pianos?


Started piano June 1999.
Proud owner of a Yamaha C2

[Linked Image]
[Linked Image]
[Linked Image]
Re: Yamaha C2x and C3x Cost???
navi9187 #3054082 12/07/20 03:04 PM
Joined: May 2020
Posts: 13
N
Junior Member
OP Offline
Junior Member
N
Joined: May 2020
Posts: 13
Thank all for your input. Let me do the math and this time I would be more confident to bargain around.

ShiroKuro- I sold my previous pianos each time I made the upgrade. The signature line was just a history of the pianos I've owned before.

Yes, I currently own a C3. I'm still in debate 50/50 if I want a new C3x or just be contented with what I have. They say buy the piano you love that will inspire you but I also have my practical side. New C3x piano is so tempting but thinking of instant depreciation and monthly payments like a luxury car I really have to sit down and think about it seventy times seven. Unfortunately it's so hard to find any second hand Cx's. confused


Yamaha C3 PE | Yamaha AvantGrand N2 | Yamaha CLP-645 | Yamaha P-140s
Re: Yamaha C2x and C3x Cost???
navi9187 #3054091 12/07/20 03:20 PM
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 6,219
6000 Post Club Member
Offline
6000 Post Club Member
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 6,219
Originally Posted by navi9187
ShiroKuro- I sold my previous pianos each time I made the upgrade. The signature line was just a history of the pianos I've owned before.

Ahh, that makes sense!

Quote
Yes, I currently own a C3. I'm still in debate 50/50 if I want a new C3x or just be contented with what I have. They say buy the piano you love that will inspire you but I also have my practical side. New C3x piano is so tempting but thinking of instant depreciation and monthly payments like a luxury car I really have to sit down and think about it seventy times seven. Unfortunately it's so hard to find any second hand Cx's. confused

How old is your C3?


Started piano June 1999.
Proud owner of a Yamaha C2

[Linked Image]
[Linked Image]
[Linked Image]
Re: Yamaha C2x and C3x Cost???
navi9187 #3055175 12/10/20 02:08 PM
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 846
S
500 Post Club Member
Offline
500 Post Club Member
S
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 846
In my experience servicing the C3x etc. I think you would be better served upgrading our C3 with better strings and hammers, perhaps WNG capstans and other mass reducing schemes and high quality hammers.

Re: Yamaha C2x and C3x Cost???
Steve Jackson #3055226 12/10/20 04:13 PM
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 577
W
500 Post Club Member
Offline
500 Post Club Member
W
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 577
Originally Posted by Steve Jackson
In my experience servicing the C3x etc. I think you would be better served upgrading our C3 with better strings and hammers, perhaps WNG capstans and other mass reducing schemes and high quality hammers.

Good point. A set of C3X pre hung hammers can be obtained from Yamaha as well as the bass strings. The cost would be less than the sales tax alone on a new C3X.


-Bill L. - former tuner-technician

Moderated by  Ken Knapp, Piano World 

Link Copied to Clipboard
What's Hot!!
News from the Piano World
Our January 2021 Free Newsletter for piano lovers is here now...
---------------------
NEW! Sell Your Piano on our world famous Piano Forums!
---------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
(ad)
Pianoteq
Steinway Spiro Layering
(ad)
PianoDisc

PianoDisc
(ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad)
Mason & Hamlin Pianos
New Topics - Multiple Forums
mp7es recording
by Colette2 - 01/26/21 01:00 PM
Log Sheets to Track Scale & Arpeggio Practice
by Talão - 01/26/21 12:21 PM
Fanny Hensel Sonata in G minor
by Ainar - 01/26/21 12:01 PM
Piano Insurance Recommendation
by jankowjaSF - 01/26/21 10:49 AM
Download Sheet Music
Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads
Forum Statistics
Forums42
Topics204,567
Posts3,051,783
Members100,221
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Please Support Our Advertisers


Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways

Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver

 Best of Piano Buyer

PianoTeq Bechstein
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads



 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


© copyright 1997 - 2021 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.4