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Is it worth upgrading my FP-10 to RP501 or RP102?
#3051853 12/02/20 02:12 AM
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I currently own a Roland FP-10 for about a year now and thinking of upgrading as part of my commitment to serious piano practice. I love the FP-10 as my first piano but I'm currently looking at either the RP-102 or RP-501(price of that is the max my current budget can buy)after selling my FP-10. But is it worth the jump if both digitals both have the PHA-4 Standard Keyboard: with Escapement and Ivory Feel action?

I'm only interested in the piano sounds btw so even in my FP-10 I don't use all the additional sounds like electronic piano etc. Been using a VST also on my FP-10 which I'm hoping I can also use in the 102/501.

I was thinking of upgrading to the Yamaha CLP 645 because I've heard alot of good things from the wooden keys compared to plastic. Unfortunately it's currently way out of my budget for now.

The PHA4 action is abit heavy so I do have a bit of trouble playing fast sections. I'm not sure if it's just because of my lack of skill for now or is it something that the piano itself limits me to do. For now it's not a big deal as not all pieces have those sections.

If I'm going to upgrade my digital should I ensure that I get at least the wooden keys or is this jump still a good idea? Also open to other brands/models up to the price range of the RP-501.

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dcbluepiano #3051857 12/02/20 02:55 AM
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I'm in exactly the same place as you. Had my fp-10 for around 15 months and feeling the urge to upgrade. Have you tried any of the ones you mentioned? I myself go back and forth between the roland hp704 and the Kawai ca49 which is identical price wise here. You could take a look at the Kawai cn29/39 as well, which should be around the same price as those you mentioned. Besides that, there's also the p515, es920, fp90 if you want something more portable in that price range.

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Originally Posted by dcbluepiano
But is it worth the jump if both digitals both have the PHA-4 Standard Keyboard: with Escapement and Ivory Feel action?

Not action-wise for sure. 😀

Originally Posted by dcbluepiano
I'm only interested in the piano sounds btw

They have basically the same piano sounds, so no real upgrade there either.

So the only thing you'd get is the different cabinet, maybe better speakers, more non-piano sounds in the RP-501R and some more built-in features not relevant for pure piano playing.

Doesn't seem to make much sense.

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Also open to other brands/models up to the price range of the RP-501.

It's about $1600...1700, assuming USA prices.

There are a lot of models available for that money or less, but not many of them might be an "upgrade". It's actually difficult to say.

There's the Yamaha P-515 blush for about the same money. It might be a little more with the whole furniture stand + triple pedals setup, probably around $1700 is the listed price. (Plus tax? I'm not used to USA pricing details.)

The Roland FP-90 will be over $2000 as a complete package. But it would have a different key action.

Around $2000 there's Kawai CN29.

At $1900 there's Kawai ES920 full package.

At 1800 there's Roland FP-60 with the same action, so no action upgrade.

Also Kawai ES520 complete bundle is about that amount of money. It could feel lighter(?)

There's also the Korg G1. But would it have any benefit?

Casio Celviano AP-470 is about $1700, but it could be just "different" and not necessarily "better" like many of the others. The speakers might be better and the action lighter. I'm not sure.

Yamaha Arius YDP-164 can be had for $1600 or so, I guess. But again, it's "different", but is it "better"? People tend to say the GH3 is "heavy".

At $1600 you also have the Korg C1. And the Kawai ES920 with no extras like a stand of triple pedals.

Others might have some opinions on those models.

And the prices are just a rough estimate.

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dcbluepiano #3051861 12/02/20 03:43 AM
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I guess it depends where you are from. Here the Kawai cn29 is listed at 1500 dollars while the e920 with stand etc is 2300 dollars.
P515 here i Denmark is 1800 dollars for the unit only which is also way too much i think. With stand and all it would be like 2100.

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Thanks for the suggestions guys. I just inquired in our local store here and just want to share what I've learned. Explained to the guy my situation and he said if I'm after the action, he recommends the HP704 not only for the PHA-50, but also because it has wooden/hybrid of wood and synthetic material keys. Asked his opinion on the comparable yamaha models including the CLP 645(which also has wooden keys) at that range and he said he still prefers the Roland HP by a long shot. For now I'm pretty sold on that model but I'll see when I actually do decide to upgrade.

Also asked about the HP702 and other models with the same PHA4 action and he said although they're all PHA4, the feel might still be different once you actually try it out. Can't confirm that but I'm thinking if the HP704 is stated to have a different action then at least I know that it IS different(better?). Or if anyone has personal experience on the HP704 they can share.

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Originally Posted by dcbluepiano
Thanks for the suggestions guys. I just inquired in our local store here and just want to share what I've learned. Explained to the guy my situation and he said if I'm after the action, he recommends the HP704 not only for the PHA-50, but also because it has wooden/hybrid of wood and synthetic material keys. Asked his opinion on the comparable yamaha models including the CLP 645(which also has wooden keys) at that range and he said he still prefers the Roland HP by a long shot. For now I'm pretty sold on that model but I'll see when I actually do decide to upgrade.

Also asked about the HP702 and other models with the same PHA4 action and he said although they're all PHA4, the feel might still be different once you actually try it out. Can't confirm that but I'm thinking if the HP704 is stated to have a different action then at least I know that it IS different(better?). Or if anyone has personal experience on the HP704 they can share.

All PHA-50 action slabs/home pianos have the same wood+plastic ‘hybrid’ key construction.

Personally, I find it better and more comfortable than PHA4... very pleased with the result of moving from PHA4 to PHA-50. 👍


Learning to play. Consciously incompetent, which apparently is a good starting point. smirk

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