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Re: Selecting DP for beginner adult: CLP-745 vs LX706 vs ?
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* As an IT guy I like the idea of modeling over sampling
Curious to know how does that contribute to your experience in playing a digital piano.
They test bionic ear firmware... Therefore they can hear the layer switching in sampled audio :-p

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Re: Selecting DP for beginner adult: CLP-745 vs LX706 vs ?
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Originally Posted by Beowulf
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* As an IT guy I like the idea of modeling over sampling
Curious to know how does that contribute to your experience in playing a digital piano.

same as its color, look or size - anyhow, I just like that it is there

Re: Selecting DP for beginner adult: CLP-745 vs LX706 vs ?
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A computer scientist would note that modeling vs sampling is a classic time/space tradeoff in algorithm design. The modeled piano requires more CPU resource; the sampled piano requires more storage. Both are algorithms to generate the piano sound-- they just have different input data. In a purely mathematical sense, they both are algorithms modeling piano sound.

If you are running VSTs on your computer, then this tradeoff affects how much storage you need or how fast a processor you need, and thus becomes a concern with what hardware you already have or will buy.

But with an integrated DP, this is the manufacturer's problem, not the consumer's problem. Spending time on it is time you are not spending on playing or studying music. Isn't playing music the point of buying a piano?


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Originally Posted by Sweelinck
A computer scientist would note that modeling vs sampling is a classic time/space tradeoff in algorithm design. The modeled piano requires more CPU resource; the sampled piano requires more storage. Both are algorithms to generate the piano sound-- they just have different input data. In a purely mathematical sense, they both are algorithms modeling piano sound.

If you are running VSTs on your computer, then this tradeoff affects how much storage you need or how fast a processor you need, and thus becomes a concern with what hardware you already have or will buy.

But with an integrated DP, this is the manufacturer's problem, not the consumer's problem. Spending time on it is time you are not spending on playing or studying music. Isn't playing music the point of buying a piano?
I mentioned multiple times that I just personally like the idea of modeling more, why do you keep trying to overplay sampling I dunno - there is nothing for you to prove in this thread...

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Originally Posted by Sweelinck
A computer scientist would note that modeling vs sampling is a classic time/space tradeoff in algorithm design. The modeled piano requires more CPU resource; the sampled piano requires more storage. Both are algorithms to generate the piano sound-- they just have different input data. In a purely mathematical sense, they both are algorithms modeling piano sound.

If you are running VSTs on your computer, then this tradeoff affects how much storage you need or how fast a processor you need, and thus becomes a concern with what hardware you already have or will buy.

Since ARM just cremated the x86 architecture this month, CPU/modeling has now just won the battle with RAM/ROM. The next few years will just be spent writing the eulogy for pianos that use samples.

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The CPU technology is irrelevant also. Since the invention of computers, CPUs have been getting faster and cheaper over time. Persistent memory has been getting denser/larger and cheaper over time. Nothing new in that.


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thank you all guys for advices and opinions, especially people that downplayed my thoughts about panel on 745.

As I have already made up some kinda of 'fanboy' affection to Yamaha reading and watching tons of reviews and trying both 6xx and 7xx hands-on - I have just pre-ordered CLP-745 which, hopefully, will be in shop next week. Cheers!

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sorry to turn this thread into modeling vs sampling holywar, that was not the intention

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Originally Posted by Sweelinck
The CPU technology is irrelevant also. Since the invention of computers, CPUs have been getting faster and cheaper over time. Persistent memory has been getting denser/larger and cheaper over time. Nothing new in that.
No, computer memory hasn't been getting larger really. We had 16Gb RAM in computers 10 years ago - the memory size has plateaued. Whereas ARM CPUs have been getting many, many times faster over that 10 years.

Unless by 'memory' you mean disk storage? Memory isn't the correct English word for that.

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The CPU technology is irrelevant also. Since the invention of computers, CPUs have been getting faster and cheaper over time. Persistent memory has been getting denser/larger and cheaper over time. Nothing new in that.
No, computer memory hasn't been getting larger really. We had 16Gb RAM in computers 10 years ago - the memory size has plateaued. Whereas ARM CPUs have been getting many, many times faster over that 10 years.

Unless by 'memory' you mean disk storage? Memory isn't the correct English word for that.
You can have MUCH more than 16GB these days so not following your idea here about memory size "plateaued". I have been running 64GB for a while now and maybe will move to 128GB next based on the work I do.


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The CPU technology is irrelevant also. Since the invention of computers, CPUs have been getting faster and cheaper over time. Persistent memory has been getting denser/larger and cheaper over time. Nothing new in that.
No, computer memory hasn't been getting larger really. We had 16Gb RAM in computers 10 years ago - the memory size has plateaued. Whereas ARM CPUs have been getting many, many times faster over that 10 years.

Unless by 'memory' you mean disk storage? Memory isn't the correct English word for that.
You can have MUCH more than 16GB these days so not following your idea here about memory size "plateaued". I have been running 64GB for a while now and maybe will move to 128GB next based on the work I do.
A 2010 Mac also allowed 64 Gb. My point still holds true.

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