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About to pull the trigger on either MP7SE, MP11SE or es920. I have asked before es920 was reviewed. Now that it's been out a while I would love to hear an opinion from someone who has one.
Won't be gigging, not too bothered about speakers,I use mostly headphones, not bothered about weight. Es920 looks and feels simpler. Would I miss not going for a grand feel keyboard? Only ever used a rhc3 on a CN,37.
I quite like it but only because I know no different.
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Depends on what you expect from a DP and the models you state all have different prices, the MP7SE being the cheapest, the MP11SE the most expensive, with the ES920 somewhere in between.
You're not going to gig so the MP7SE is out. Or is it ?
The MP7SE and the ES920 both have the RHIII action, although the ES920 has a 'revised' version. It's a really good action, the best plastic action on the market, in fact.
Just don't go comparing it with the Grand Feel, or even the Grand Feel Compact.

I personally find the RHIII (and other plastic actions) rather noisy for home use, which is why I went for the MP11SE instead of the MP7SE (and subsequently, the CA58 instead of the CN39). But I am very picky as far as actions are concerned.
Don't know your budget, but if you're not planning on gigging, and if you have the space, why not go for a cabinet piano ? The CA49 is about the price of the MP11SE, or you might even go for the CA59. They both have the Grand Feel Compact action, fully wooden like the Grand Feel, only with slightly shorter keysticks. Playing 'into' the keys is absolutely no problem at all on the Grand Feel, Compact or not...

I love both my MP11SE and CA58, but I enjoy playing my CA58 more than my MP11SE, even though the MP11SE supposedly has the better action...

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Thanks. Cabinet pianos are definitely out. I'm now deciding between es920 and mp11se. Had a brief play with es920, sounded better than I thought. My first reaction was it was a bit plasticky and seemed lightweight.
Never seen or played an mp11se but keep on hearing good reports. I already have a Kawai CN37 so perhaps I should go for a grand feel instrument? Any differences re durability of wooden Vs plastic actions?
Lastly am I right in thinking headphones sound much better than the internal speakers?

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Originally Posted by Cutec
About to pull the trigger on either MP7SE, MP11SE or es920. I have asked before es920 was reviewed. Now that it's been out a while I would love to hear an opinion from someone who has one.
Won't be gigging, not too bothered about speakers,I use mostly headphones, not bothered about weight. Es920 looks and feels simpler. Would I miss not going for a grand feel keyboard? Only ever used a rhc3 on a CN,37.
I quite like it but only because I know no different.
Any views appreciated.

I have owned the MP11SE and it is has the finest key action of any dp I have ever owned.

I recently sold it because the lack of onboard speakers and the weight (75lb) of it.

I have a Kawai ES920 on order.

I guess you can figure out what my view(s) would be ....


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I guess you have to make up your mind. Yourself. Good luck!

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Originally Posted by ChrisGoesPiano
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The MP7SE and the ES920 both have the RHIII action, although the ES920 has a 'revised' version. It's a really good action, the best plastic action on the market, in fact.
Just don't go comparing it with the Grand Feel, or even the Grand Feel Compact.
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On the contrary, I think this is exactly what he should do, go comparing it wink
I wasn't so sure that the keys of the CN58 were that much better than the keys of the CN39 right next to it, though they sure were different in some ways.

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Cutec,

Strictly based on your posts - Won't be gigging, not too bothered about speakers, I use mostly headphones, not bothered about weight, cabinet pianos are definitely out, my first reaction was it was a bit plasticky and seemed lightweight - I'd vote for the MP11se. Of course only you'd know for sure after having tested both pianos.

The MP11se is my 8th digital piano and I'm planning on keeping it even after I get an acoustic grand. No digital piano is perfect, in my opinion, but this piano was the best choice for me and still is.

I like it enough that if Kawai would come out with a MP11se in a 6' grand body for $2k more, I would probably skip buying an acoustic grand all together smile

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Originally Posted by djvu10
Strictly based on your posts - Won't be gigging, not too bothered about speakers, I use mostly headphones, not bothered about weight, cabinet pianos are definitely out, my first reaction was it was a bit plasticky and seemed lightweight - I'd vote for the MP11se.

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I haven't played any of the other Kawai keyboards, but I've had an MP11SE for almost two years and I really like it. I have it hooked up to both speakers and headphones, each of which is roughly in the $200 range, and I almost always play through headphones (Philips Fidelio X2HR); headphones give a much fuller and richer sound at apartment volume levels, IMO.

It seems like owners of the MP11SE have mostly praise for it, and many consider it to be the top of the line as far as reasonably-priced DPs go. I only have some minor complaints with it, and if it broke tomorrow I'd very likely order another one within a week. The action on it just really is very pleasant to play on, and I'm thinking if you go for a cheaper Kawai that it won't be as good, and even if it was comparable, if you go with a cheaper option you'll probably constantly be wondering if you're missing out on the MP11SE.

My vote is to go with the MP11SE if the price difference is not a huge deal. To answer your question, I think it's very possible that you WILL INDEED miss the grand feel if you don't splurge for the MP11SE.

Also, just an FYI, I recently purchased American Concert D from Synthogy, and I'm pretty much in love with the combo of the MP11SE and this VST. Supposedly Billy Joel did/does play live with this VST hooked up to a Kawai, which says a lot. It's a great option to add if you get tired of the onboard Kawai sounds.

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On the contrary, I think this is exactly what he should do, go comparing it wink
I wasn't so sure that the keys of the CN58 were that much better than the keys of the CN39 right next to it, though they sure were different in some ways.

The CA58 (and now CA59) has the GFC (Grand Feel Compact) action, fully wooden, just like the Grand Feel in the MP11SE, only with slightly shorter keysticks. The CN39 is a fine piano, and the RHIII is a fine action, in my opinion the best plastic action out there.
But if you go out comparing the RHIII with the GFC or the GF, however, you'll find it hard to come back to the RHII after having played either the GF.or GFC... wink

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Originally Posted by Cutec
About to pull the trigger on either MP7SE, MP11SE or es920. I have asked before es920 was reviewed. Now that it's been out a while I would love to hear an opinion from someone who has one.
Won't be gigging, not too bothered about speakers,I use mostly headphones, not bothered about weight. Es920 looks and feels simpler. Would I miss not going for a grand feel keyboard? Only ever used a rhc3 on a CN,37.
I quite like it but only because I know no different.
Any views appreciated.

In your situation, the MP11SE seems to be a no brainer


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Cutec, just out of curiosity: why are cabinet pianos definitely out? I sometimes feel like I should try some of them as well. I still haven't had the chance to compare the pianos, but all the good that I read about the MP11SE makes me more and more curious about it.. I wonder if the action is mostly superior for people who are used to playing on a grand though, which I have no experience with personally.

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Kewner. It will be in a small workplace that I use 7 months of the year. Need to move it home for remaining 5 months. Hence a portable heavy mp11se.
Again not seen one but read lots. Action sounds great and it would be a change from the rhç3 action in the CN37 I have also. Don't know whether I'd get fed up of headphone use all the time tho? Hence me also looking at es920. But haven't heard a detailed review from a member yet.

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Sometimes a change isn't always for the better. Most seem to like the long keyed wooden actions on the Kawais. Others find them nothing like an acoustic. If you're buyin' without tryin' well; maybe I'd wait until I could try or choose the safe option. ES920.


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Thanks Cutec. I wonder about your point about using a headphone all the time as well. I think if I'd get the MP7SE or the MP11SE, I'd want to get some speakers too, if only after a while. So besides the difference in actions, I still wonder if (affordable) speakers would sound better than the speakers on the ES920, and if so, how big that difference would be. It has to be a big enough difference for me to justify the extra clutter, which I'm never a fan of.


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