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Fingers banging into sheet-music shelf/desk
#3049745 11/26/20 12:08 PM
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I have a Kawai K200 (an upright), and have a problem: My fingers sometimes bang/collide into the sheet-music shelf (Kawai calls it a 'music desk'). Hence I need to have this shelf folded up because it's in the way. I am puzzled how Kawai could have designed it the way they did. But more importantly, I need to figure out how to have sheet music at this piano.

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I don't understand what you have written. The music desk on an upright is well above the keys and the fall board. Why, then, are your "fingers bang[ing] into the sheet-music shelf?"

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Originally Posted by BruceD
The music desk on an upright is well above the keys and the fall board.
The Kawai Ks have the music rest attached to the underside of the fallboard and it's closer to the keys than any pianos I've seen. It makes it nice to have the music so close to your hands because it's easy to see without looking back and forth. But I can see someone having a problem banging into it.


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I used to have a Kawai with that design. I liked that the music was closer, and easier to read, and the closeness made it easier to turn pages quickly. But I never banged into the music desk.

Is it possible your bench is a little too close? If your fingers are playing deep into the back of the keys, I can see how this could happen.


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Originally Posted by MH1963
I used to have a Kawai with that design. I liked that the music was closer, and easier to read, and the closeness made it easier to turn pages quickly. But I never banged into the music desk.

Did you ever try playing octaves, raising your hand into the air?

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Originally Posted by BruceD
I don't understand what you have written. The music desk on an upright is well above the keys and the fall board. Why, then, are your "fingers bang[ing] into the sheet-music shelf?"

See https://kawaius.com/product/k-200/

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I am thinking of taping the top folding lip in an open position, and resting the music on that.

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Octaves can be played without a drop from on high and usually should be, I think? If I’m wrong I trust I will be corrected.

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I have the same configuration on my Kawai K-500 and in almost four years I've never hit the music desk even playing octaves.....but that's me. Could be a wrist versus arm issue? Hard to tell without actually seeing you play.


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Originally Posted by pdavidow
I am thinking of taping the top folding lip in an open position, and resting the music on that.
Yes that would help. If you're handy you could make something that hung over the top edge of the fallboard and dropped down just a hair. You might find the front edge of the top lid won't be high enough to give the music enough support.
This style rest seems to have become more the norm. The Yamaha Us also have this design with the rest under the fallboard. I always like the uprights at school that had the sliding fallboard, so the front of the piano was used to mount the rest.


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Adding a thin rubber button or felt cabinet door bumper under the music rack so that it is tipped up a little could help give you a little more clearance.

I have bumped my knuckles on this type of music rack when playing before, but it has never been a big problem for me.


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Buy a couple of these and glue felt (to prevent scratching) on the inside. Hang them from the open lid on top (depending on the size of the gap when the lid is closed, you may even be able to leave the hangers on the piano with the lid closed):

https://www.amazon.com/Haute-Decor-...&hvtargid=pla-300456366466&psc=1


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