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Which secondhand baby grand piano should I purchase?
#3048247 11/22/20 11:36 AM
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Hello everyone smile
Nice to e-meet all of you.
I recently viewied a YAMAHA GH1 B 5515570 Baby Grand piano and also a Schiedmayer Baby Grand Piano.

Could you kindly advise me on the both and which would you think I should purchase and why? It is my first time purchasing a baby grand... I have a KAWAI Upright Grand all these while and thought of upgrading to a baby grand piano.

Thank you so much and hope to hear from you soon smile

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What are the prices and build year for the pianos? If used, have they been inspected by a tech? How big is the Schiedmauyer? Have you played them and what are your impressions of each? Are they for sale by a dealer or private individual?

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melodymusic #3048258 11/22/20 12:14 PM
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Hi @pianoloverus thank you for your reply!

Yamaha
I do not know how old it is, the owner cannot remember and is unsure. But it seems like it is from Japan and perhaps quite some time?)
Sound quality is still pretty nice and clear. However, it seems like there's some moudly parts in the soundboard.


Selling price is $4,000 USD not inclusive moving, tuning, and cleaning.

Schiedmauyer
Owner said it is about 20 years old. Condition seems pretty good... However, I have not heard about this brand much until seeing the listing online.

Both are from a private individual.
Selling price is $3,500 not inclusive moving, tuning and cleaning.

Am I able to attach photos on this thread? Perhaps you can then see the pianos for reference.

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The GH1 was Yamaha's entry level grand piano for those who wanted to buy the Yamaha name, but didn't have the budget for one of their regular line of grands. I have played many and serviced a couple, and most haven't been great, tonally (technicians complain especially about the design of the bass/tenor break region of the piano), but I remember servicing one that I actually thought was nice. It has since been replaced by the GB and GC series pianos, the latest versions of both considered more successful (but not anywhere near the prices you're talking about).

I've never seen a Schiedmayer. I believe they've been produced by a few different manufacturers over the course of their history. As a musician, I primarily know that name as a brand of celesta.

We might be able to give you a little more insight with some photos (though most sellers don't really take enough close-up photos of the things I like to look for), but a recording may be even more useful.

At this price range, I typically advise people to shop used 45-52" vertical pianos, less than 30 years old. You mentioned you have a tall Kawai upright, with good tuning, voicing, and regulation it may outperform a small grand in some ways.


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terminaldegree #3048266 11/22/20 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by terminaldegree
You mentioned you have a tall Kawai upright, with good tuning, voicing, and regulation it may outperform a small grand in some ways.

and might, in fact, have longer strings.

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If you gives us the serial numbers someone will tell you the age of the pianos. Ask the sellers for this information if you don't have it. There is a way to post pictures on PW but, never having done it, I can't give you instructions. IMO you absolutely must have any used piano. especially one in a private sale, inspected/evaluated by a tech before buying it. The pianos could have minor or even very serious problems and require more than just a cleaning!

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You mentioned you have a tall Kawai upright, with good tuning, voicing, and regulation it may outperform a small grand in some ways.

and might, in fact, have longer strings.

+1 on this one. Particularly if the current upright size is 50 inches or more.

A long while back, I had a 54 inch upright which I replaced with a used Mason and Risch (spelling?) baby grand which was 5' 1'' as I recall. Although some required work was put into it by a reputable tech at purchasing time, after having it in my home I was seriously underwhelmed by that tlny grand as I did not feel I gained all that much in the end. (it looked great, though!)

I ended up trading it in a year or two later for a larger grand and never looked back since. From a purely financial stand point, it would have been less expensive to bite the bullet earlier on and get a larger piano from the outset. I can however totally understand that financial constraints may prevail.

Just my experience for consideration, if it can be of some help.

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As far as I know (I am no expert) true German Schiedemayer pianos were around before Sauter pianos.,so before 1819.The German ones were apparently excellent pianos. I believe there were two Scheidmayer manufacturers in Germany.The owners were related. I believe they ceased functioning in about the late 80's. I have never had the opportunity unfortunately to ever play one of these pianos. I believe (from what I read) is that they were excellent instruments.
As far as I know from the little research I have done on them ,Ibach later made them then Kawai and as terminaldegree mentions others did as well. According to one rechnician on the
forum some Kawai pianos from that period had a tone that was similar to Sciedmayor. I am not of sure if this is true though.
I believe now they are just stencil pianos made in Korea. I happened to have played one of those ! 🤔

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melodymusic #3048797 11/24/20 03:07 AM
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Thank you everyone for your reply and detailed explanation.
I am not sure how I can attach a photo here for your reference but after reading everything that you've said, I think I will follow your advice to just perhaps get another better upright grand, or continue to use my current one and save until I am able to get a better grand that is more reputable.
Thank you so much smile

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melodymusic #3049511 11/25/20 08:24 PM
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I recently saw a reconditioned Yamaha U3 235712, 131cm made in 1962s.
Is this a good piano?

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melodymusic #3049520 11/25/20 08:37 PM
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What age and model of piano do you have now? That’s really old for a Yamaha.
What exactly does “reconditioned” mean in this case?


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melodymusic #3049531 11/25/20 09:26 PM
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They refurbished it with new parts of the piano. My upright grand KAWAI is actually at home, i'm currently living in another country so i'm unable to check. Recently wanted to just have one here to teach as I won't be under a school to teach anymore. Hence why I am searching for a used piano. smile

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Try and find out who made the Schiedemayer piano. If its older than 20 years you may just have a gem .There must be a site where you can look up the serial numbers and find the date.(if its an authentic Schiedemayer) The same goes if it was made by Ibach
Of course any piano made Kawai is worth a serious look.

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We might be able to be more helpful if you mentioned what country, and what your budget is.


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melodymusic #3049577 11/26/20 03:46 AM
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What about brand new 178cm Hailun or 179cm Feurich?

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Try and find out who made the Schiedemayer piano. If its older than 20 years you may just have a gem .(if its an authentic Schiedemayer)

Melodymusic,

IMHO, apparently Schiedmayer Pianoforte Fabrik stopped piano production in 1980. So, any Schiedmayer piano with less than 40 years old now would not be an authentic one.

If this piano you are considering was made up to that year, something traceable by its serial number, it would almost certainly require renewal, at least.

I will not comment on GB1 pianos. Just don't like them at all.

Good luck in you search.


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I actually like the Yamaha GH1. It is a lower level version of the G1/C1 series. It was built in Japan and is also 5’3” long. It uses the same action but gives up the full sostenuto for a bass sustain and loses the duplex scaling. (Which for me is an annoyance).

There are slight differences in cabinet construction but it does retain the full sliding music desk that the GA, GB, and GC series lost.

They are well made and reliable. Not a bad choice at all, provided you enjoy the way it plays, and sounds to you.


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melodymusic #3053117 12/05/20 02:38 AM
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Thanks everyone, for your input and advice. smile appreciate it.
In that case, I will look for a newer U3 or another upright grand similar to the one I had before...
Still very much to learn!
Have a lovely weekend.


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