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Re: Changed my tune about "Get a Teacher!"
Sebs #3049138 11/24/20 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Sebs
Good to be open to other ways of learning and that's awesome you can learn that many at once! And I will also add I think we can do away with the "ask your teacher" reply too. laugh laugh laugh


I'll remember never to tell you "ask your teacher" in response to one of your posts! LOL.😂


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Re: Changed my tune about "Get a Teacher!"
WeakLeftHand #3049141 11/24/20 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
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Without a teacher you either get no corrections/comments/feedback on your playing or, I assume, minimal comments if feedback is included as part of an online course. I can't imagine that one receives the typical one hour of feedback one would get in a weekly private lessons even if "feedback" is included in an online course.

No, it’s not the same amount of feedback as a one hour weekly lesson with a teacher in person. I’m well aware of the benefits of in-person lessons with a teacher. There’s no argument there. But that’s not really the point. The point is, in a situation where a private teacher is not accessible for whatever reason, one makes due with what they can get. And for me at the moment, it’s video exchange. My understanding is that we are asked to limit our videos to 15 minutes or 20, depending on the package, and the instructor will reply via video. I haven’t submitted any yet so I don’t know how long her feedback video is.
I don't think anyone's ever said learning from a teacher is the only way to learn or that learning online or from books is of no value. What most people have always said is that it's not nearly as efficient and close to impossible to reach a high level without a teacher.

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I’ve made the most progress in my piano education whenever I had the opportunity to work with a GOOD teacher and these were almost always the teachers who had high expectations of themselves as performers and it typically showed in the level of education they themselves sought. I spent far too many years teaching myself and though I had fun the real music and the real understanding of the essence of this beautiful art didn’t until I found a good teacher. I’ve only had about 6 years in total now working with piano teachers. I returned to lessons 2 and a half years ago after about a 15 year absence. I wish I could turn back the clock and had done this right much sooner in my life, but life got in the way. It’s never a waste of time when you find a qualified teacher. You can have fun and be taught the right way at the same time.


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Re: Changed my tune about "Get a Teacher!"
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[quote=WeakLeftHandWell, I too hadn't realized that classical guitar existed until not too long ago, so you're not alone. It's not a very popular medium I would say and has a limited repertoire indeed.[/quote]


In fact the repertoire is not that limited. There is a number of composers, like Boccherini who wrote for Quintet and guitar. There are also like with Piano and Harpsichord, a number of related instruments, more or less different like the Luth, Theorbe or Mandolin. The repertoire is not as extensive as the piano, but there is nevertheless a significant number of pieces like Falla, Albéniz, Ferdinand Sor, Rodrigo, Moreno Torroba,…. And also a number of transcriptions from keyboard, cello, violin (Scarlatti, Vivaldi, Granados, Bach, ….).

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Originally Posted by Sidokar
In fact the repertoire is not that limited. There is a number of composers, like Boccherini who wrote for Quintet and guitar. There are also like with Piano and Harpsichord, a number of related instruments, more or less different like the Luth, Theorbe or Mandolin. The repertoire is not as extensive as the piano, but there is nevertheless a significant number of pieces like Falla, Albéniz, Ferdinand Sor, Rodrigo, Moreno Torroba,…. And also a number of transcriptions from keyboard, cello, violin (Scarlatti, Vivaldi, Granados, Bach, ….).

I see. So practically speaking, whatever repertoire exists is definitely more than I can learn in my lifetime!

I’m surprised so many here are classical guitarists!

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Re: Changed my tune about "Get a Teacher!"
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In fact the repertoire is not that limited. There is a number of composers, like Boccherini who wrote for Quintet and guitar. There are also like with Piano and Harpsichord, a number of related instruments, more or less different like the Luth, Theorbe or Mandolin. The repertoire is not as extensive as the piano, but there is nevertheless a significant number of pieces like Falla, Albéniz, Ferdinand Sor, Rodrigo, Moreno Torroba,…. And also a number of transcriptions from keyboard, cello, violin (Scarlatti, Vivaldi, Granados, Bach, ….).

I see. So practically speaking, whatever repertoire exists is definitely more than I can learn in my lifetime!

I’m surprised so many here are classical guitarists!
There is a closely guarded secret among classical guitarists: most of their rep is piano music - especially Spanish piano music. (For many guitarists, all their rep is arrangements of pieces composed for other instruments.)

For example, Albéniz and Granados (whose piano music is very popular with classical guitarists - many of whom won't have a solo concert career without them) composed absolutely nothing for guitar, but a lot for piano. And Manuel de Falla only composed one piece for guitar, which is not very popular, even among guitarists.

One more trade secret: Albéniz's and Granados' piano music actually sounds better on piano, despite attempts by classical guitarists to convince the public that pieces like Asturias and Cordoba are actually guitar music in disguise. I've performed them for audiences who haven't heard them before (on any instrument) and they were surprised when I told them afterwards that they are much more often played on guitar than on piano, because to their innocent ears, they don't sound at all like guitar music.....

So, that's why I'm glad I stuck with piano, rather than try to convert from pop guitarist to classical. Because I can play guitar music on the piano that sounds like piano music, as well as piano music (and lots of other music) that sounds like, er, piano music. grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIllF1tdqZk

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Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
I see. So practically speaking, whatever repertoire exists is definitely more than I can learn in my lifetime!

I’m surprised so many here are classical guitarists!

Yes, there is enough to play for you, original pieces or arrangements. The classical guitar is a beautiful instrument, very refined with a lot of possible nuances, and extremely difficult to master technically.

The luth is a different instrument but there is a large repertoire for it, should you like this style of music. Here is a little vid of a piece by Charles Mouton.

https://youtu.be/25lNBNdyfhA

Besides the legacy of Andres Segovia, there are plenty of young guitar players now. Here is 2 vids playing Agustin Mangore and Francisco Tarrega.

https://youtu.be/dmc6KV0_UVM

https://youtu.be/P7ZLcUYzvnc

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Originally Posted by bennevis
So, that's why I'm glad I stuck with piano, rather than try to convert from pop guitarist to classical. Because I can play guitar music on the piano that sounds like piano music, as well as piano music (and lots of other music) that sounds like, er, piano music. grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIllF1tdqZk

That link is interesting. I didn't realize it was piano at first. Thought it was guitar!


Originally Posted by Sidokar
Besides the legacy of Andres Segovia, there are plenty of young guitar players now. Here is 2 vids playing Agustin Mangore and Francisco Tarrega.

https://youtu.be/dmc6KV0_UVM

https://youtu.be/P7ZLcUYzvnc

Well, maybe one day...a very BIG MAYBE though lol. But yeah, this is the kind of music that drew me to the guitar in the first place.

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Good to be open to other ways of learning and that's awesome you can learn that many at once! And I will also add I think we can do away with the "ask your teacher" reply too. laugh laugh laugh


I'll remember never to tell you "ask your teacher" in response to one of your posts! LOL.😂

haha I'm just messing around I just feel like anytime I post I should preface it with "I already asked my teacher...." and let's see we give it a few years soon I'll be saying "ask your teacher" to others.

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Good to be open to other ways of learning and that's awesome you can learn that many at once! And I will also add I think we can do away with the "ask your teacher" reply too. laugh laugh laugh


I'll remember never to tell you "ask your teacher" in response to one of your posts! LOL.😂

haha I'm just messing around I just feel like anytime I post I should preface it with "I already asked my teacher...." and let's see we give it a few years soon I'll be saying "ask your teacher" to others.
Don't people ask Mr Google these days? After all, in my experience, people ask Dr Google if they get an unexpected pain (or itch) in a part of their bodies they never knew existed......

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Good to be open to other ways of learning and that's awesome you can learn that many at once! And I will also add I think we can do away with the "ask your teacher" reply too. laugh laugh laugh


I'll remember never to tell you "ask your teacher" in response to one of your posts! LOL.😂

haha I'm just messing around I just feel like anytime I post I should preface it with "I already asked my teacher...." and let's see we give it a few years soon I'll be saying "ask your teacher" to others.
Don't people ask Mr Google these days? After all, in my experience, people ask Dr Google if they get an unexpected pain (or itch) in a part of their bodies they never knew existed......

(Disclaimer: other search engines are available.)

Haha but be careful what you google next thing you know you have every disease. I do google plenty but google doesn’t provide motivation, suggestions, or know your level. That’s one thing I love about this forum is I feel like members somewhat get familiar with one another and also provide support and great advice. I’d probably have gave up or took a big break had I not been here daily.

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Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Without a teacher you either get no corrections/comments/feedback on your playing or, I assume, minimal comments if feedback is included as part of an online course. I can't imagine that one receives the typical one hour of feedback one would get in a weekly private lessons even if "feedback" is included in an online course.

No, it’s not the same amount of feedback as a one hour weekly lesson with a teacher in person. I’m well aware of the benefits of in-person lessons with a teacher. There’s no argument there. But that’s not really the point. The point is, in a situation where a private teacher is not accessible for whatever reason, one makes due with what they can get. And for me at the moment, it’s video exchange. My understanding is that we are asked to limit our videos to 15 minutes or 20, depending on the package, and the instructor will reply via video. I haven’t submitted any yet so I don’t know how long her feedback video is.

I am taking weekly private piano lessons that are online during the pandemic, and they involve a live lesson by Zoom. Feedback is immediate! For myself, I can't imagine trying to seriously study piano without a teacher.

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