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Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
Tozen #3048000 11/21/20 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Tozen
That video is great! It is exactly what I was hoping for. By "external recording," I just meant a recording of the piano as it sounds through its speakers... not through its line-out. I get that many people prefer the line-out sound, but I'm amazed that so many piano dealers online *only* display that sound in their demos. Seeing as the speaker system is one of the main selling points of the CLP 785, refusing to capture how good that is feels like trying to sell a graphics card and then playing an 8-bit, retro arcade game on it! (Not a perfect analogy, but hopefully good enough)

Incidentally, this is exactly what happened in an otherwise great new demo of the clp 785 by Riverton Piano Company. Notice that it sounds exactly the same as their video of the CLP 745.

You sell yourself short. We all have a lot to learn, but I enjoyed listening to you play! Looking at the YouTube comments, it seems others agree. smile

If you decide to do another video, it would be cool to hear the Bosendorfer sound in a song. However, I'm actually completely satisfied by the video you already posted! I've been looking forward to hearing the CLP 785 in a decent recording and you provided it. Thanks so much!

Hope you have a great rest of the weekend.
The problem is there are WAY too many variables into play to record the actual speakers which can lead to wrong conclusions made based on it. So I understand why they shy away from it.


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Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
LGabrielPhoto #3048023 11/21/20 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by LGabrielPhoto
The problem is there are WAY too many variables into play to record the actual speakers which can lead to wrong conclusions made based on it. So I understand why they shy away from it.

My solution would be to have both in a video and/or invest in decent recording equipment. There are good videos out there if the right tech is used. Of course, I'm not actually the guy selling the piano, so maybe I'm wrong on this. wink

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Tozen #3048025 11/21/20 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by LGabrielPhoto
The problem is there are WAY too many variables into play to record the actual speakers which can lead to wrong conclusions made based on it. So I understand why they shy away from it.

My solution would be to have both in a video and/or invest in decent recording equipment. There are good videos out there if the right tech is used. Of course, I'm not actually the guy selling the piano, so maybe I'm wrong on this. wink
Problem is unless is recorded on the very same room, location, with same gear, post if any, same mic location, etc...there will always be a big question mark. But yes, I understand your point as the actual speaker performance is more important to a lot of people than the direct out we mostly get in videos.

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Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
Tozen #3048632 11/23/20 05:19 PM
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Foxy, thanks for sharing the video! Wonderful playing, a great start to the journey!

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I will wait for the 745 to arrive in the dealer shop (about early November) and test again and hopefully make a more positive assessment.
I purchased the 745 last month after comparing models for 18 months.
Take your good headphones in and try the 775 again - if you still don't like the sound then you are not going to like the sound of the 745 either.
If you do like the sound through your good headphones then, whilst you are waiting for the 745 to arrive, go and try the Kawai CA79. In that Kawai fixed the main problems with the CA78 keys.

The only reason I went with the 745 over the CA79 was price.
Here the 745 is about 1,250 € cheaper than the CA79 (745 = ~1,850 €, CA79 = ~3,100 €). So if the CA79 is within your budget it definitely has the superior key action.
I guess by naming prices in EUR you ordered that in some EU shop? Could you let me know please were would you find 745 for 1850? All the offers I see start from 2600

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9190 #3049389 11/25/20 01:28 PM
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Stu from Merriam Digital Piano Buyer's Guide

I'm very sad. Stu has uploaded a buyer's guide for digital pianos in general and he completly forgoes the whole Clavinova range. The only mention he does is of the CLP-735 which is, in my opinion, the weekest DP in the Clavinova range. My only guess is that he didn't mention them because they are not readily available to buy.


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Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
9190 #3049394 11/25/20 01:42 PM
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@lgsml Cheapest I found available in Belgium & The Netherlands from a reputable shop is Van de Moer, located in Belgium, but also ships to The Netherlands free of charge. Their logistics page indicate that they'll ship elsewhere in Europe as well, but I don't know if that also applies to Piano's. Regular colours CLP-745 for EUR 2379 and PE for EUR 2799.

It's where I ordered a CLP-745 PE, however still waiting delivery, so cannot tell if it's any good.

Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
foxy.au #3049398 11/25/20 01:50 PM
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Beginner? Whew! Nice playing, nice stuff. What was it, if you don't mind me asking. Sounded modern, cool. Oh, and the piano wasn't bad either . . . . grin


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Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
rmnd #3049403 11/25/20 02:01 PM
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There are some shops in Slovakia having some colors in stock for 2600, I do not care paying 200 extra to not wait till March : D But the quote author mentioned 1850 which is a damn bargain, just wanted to confirm if it was not a mistake/confusion with 735.

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Originally Posted by lgsml
Originally Posted by Burkey
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I will wait for the 745 to arrive in the dealer shop (about early November) and test again and hopefully make a more positive assessment.
I purchased the 745 last month after comparing models for 18 months.
Take your good headphones in and try the 775 again - if you still don't like the sound then you are not going to like the sound of the 745 either.
If you do like the sound through your good headphones then, whilst you are waiting for the 745 to arrive, go and try the Kawai CA79. In that Kawai fixed the main problems with the CA78 keys.

The only reason I went with the 745 over the CA79 was price.
Here the 745 is about 1,250 € cheaper than the CA79 (745 = ~1,850 €, CA79 = ~3,100 €). So if the CA79 is within your budget it definitely has the superior key action.
I guess by naming prices in EUR you ordered that in some EU shop? Could you let me know please were would you find 745 for 1850? All the offers I see start from 2600
If you look up the top of each post you will see the user's location (in this case: Singapore).

Also the '~' character before the amounts means approximately.


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Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
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Also, currency exchange rates fluctuate frequently - so those prices have changed slightly since then.

In Indonesia where they are manufactured they sell for less than € 1600:
https://shopee.co.id/Yamaha-Clavino...B-CLP745-B--Black-i.134286323.7451718938

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mareg #3049534 11/25/20 09:33 PM
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Stu from Merriam Digital Piano Buyer's Guide

I'm very sad. Stu has uploaded a buyer's guide for digital pianos in general and he completly forgoes the whole Clavinova range. The only mention he does is of the CLP-735 which is, in my opinion, the weekest DP in the Clavinova range. My only guess is that he didn't mention them because they are not readily available to buy.

One on hand I wish he did mention the Clavinovas since the Merriam Music videos from Stu tend to be the most detailed and informative in the business (in my opinion), and it seems strange to leave out the Clavinovas given their relative popularity. On the other hand, it never seemed like Stu particularly liked Yamahas pretty much across the board. See for example his comparisons of P515 versus other instruments, it's always things like "The Yamahas feel like pressing on bricks whereas the Roland feels really nice and realistically weighted, but hey whatever your prefer!" Or "The Yamaha sounds nasaly like it has a cold whereas the Kawai sounds warm, rich, and deep and very natural ... but hey it's just a personal preference what sound you prefer!". I exaggerate, but that's what his reviews of Yamahas always sound like to me ... "they're terrible, but maybe you *prefer* terrible!" So in that sense, maybe better if he mainly talks about the piano he sells (i.e., Kawai/Roland/Casio) from my standpoint - which is unfortunate given that he seems to be the most knowledgeable and informative of any salesman putting out piano videos. Yamaha needs an advocate like that, they could probably sell a ton more.

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Or maybe they don't need advocates, and the issue is that Kawai/Roland/Casio feel more similar to N1X than the Clavinovas wink

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Or maybe they don't need advocates, and the issue is that Kawai/Roland/Casio feel more similar to N1X than the Clavinovas wink

Fair enough!

Although regarding the action, there is one aspect I haven't myself seen discussed yet and hoping someone with more experience could weigh in on since I have zero experience playing on high quality actions.

When I see videos of the Kawai action, I notice that the key "bounces" a bit after returning to its original position when you press it hard. An example is in the video below but you can also see it in Merriam Music videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCVu3B-u0tY

(pay attention to the key return behavior)

In contrast to the Yamaha which seems to return with much less secondary bounce:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8OyF90lAzE

(the key return motion looks completely different to my eyes ... maybe a bit more mechanical but also more stable)

So my question to anyone with experience - is what I'll call the "Kawai return bounce" something that is:

- generally desired (e.g. >80% of players would want this characteristic?)
- generally undesired (e.g. >80% of players would *not* want this characteristic?)
- mixed (people would be split roughly 50/50 in terms of preference)
- so unimportant that it's not worth having an opinion on

FWIW, I tried to see videos of how some concert grands behave (e.g. Steinway) and to my eye it looked like they had less bounce than the Kawai. But I'm out of my league here, so any thoughts from the experienced would be helpful. This is of course independent of other differences in the actions (e.g. key length, weight, mechanism, materials / construction, etc.) for which there is already information and discussion available.

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> When I see videos of the Kawai action, I notice that the key "bounces" a bit after returning to its original position when you press it hard.

Actually, when you release it hard wink
I'm no expert, but this did disturb me with the ES8, kind of nervous. However, with the CN39 (officially same RHIII keys) it isn't disturbing. Also the Roland PHA50 does it a little bit, not disturbingly. Mind acoustic actions vary a lot too. Personally, the Yamaha P/CLP crust-like top-heaviness bothers me more. While the N1X feels great.

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has anyone recently bump on clp-745 in stock anywhere in EU? I have called all local dealers but everyone says there will be no new supplies till Feb 2021 minimum

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I´ve tried CA99 and I didn´t realised that "return bounce", but now checking the video it´s true and that´s very disturbing. Yamaha seems more stable. Another point to chose the new clp785 despite the long wait.


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Acoustic grand actions also have this bouncing on key return, albeit not as pronounced as the video. Can't see how that would affect the playability.


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So I've just listened to this guy praising the clp775 on YouTube.
He described the key action as being better than 685/515 which is very different from everything we hear on this forum.
I found it interesting as he described the action and actually showed it in his video.
He was enamored with the piano. The clp775 is marginally higher in price than the 745 where I live. But it has almost everything the 785 has for much lower price. This makes everything more difficult now.

775 review (honest)

The sound is really bad when he plays in his review. But he has some other videos where he play the instrument with better recordings. I must say it sounds lovely.


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OldTinho #3049840 11/26/20 05:11 PM
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Acoustic grand actions also have this bouncing on key return, albeit not as pronounced as the video. Can't see how that would affect the playability.

Take a look at this video, you can see the keys bounce considerably on return.

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