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Re: Pianoteq 7 has now been released
peterws #3047333 11/18/20 08:23 PM
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@peterws: You realize, don't you, that your witicism on Piano World has received much competition from Pete14 for quite a few months now?
Indeed, he is posting more in this Digital forum that you have lately.
Step up your game (please)! smile
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There something about having the strings vibrate on a real piano that I don't know if software can replace.

How do you know those ‘strings’ on that ‘real’ piano are not part of an all-encompassing simulation software, and that you, too, are simply part of that simulation?

We insignificant things have barely scratched the surface with our basic little simulations within the larger simulation. So yes, we can create a virtual personal assistant, namely, SIRI; or can we? No!

Although we believe with high certainty that indeed we are creators the truth is that we are no more than working bees simply following commands previously programmed by aliens into the all-encompassing simulation.

You think you have free will? Think again, bumbling bee; for that thing you just ‘created’ is no more than the sum of 0s and 1s previously ordained (programmed) by Timmy (aka The Alien). smirk

Think y'need to chuck in a bit of Religiosity here, Pete; you're nearly there. Stir up a hornet's nest . . .

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So I tried the demo version of Pianoteq 7 and initially I didn't know what to make of it. In fact my initial impressions was that with the new modelling across all pianos it sounded terrible. Maybe I had it set-up wrong but all my pianos sounded as if I was playing a piano in bathtub. So I watched a video of a review of PTQ 7 and the gentleman's NY Steinway sounded better than mine. So I changed the audio setting from Binaural to Stereophonic and that makes a big difference. When I play the pianos while wearing a headphone the binaural setting is now overwhelming. It's as if I've got soundwaves bouncing all around my head and everything is just mashed together and thin. It's as if I'm listening to a binaural sample binaurally if that makes any sense. The new 3D modelling becomes too much if you listen to these pianos in the binaural setting if you ask me. Once set to stereophonic everything clears up and I do like the sound of all my pianos. There seems to be more clarity and attack, a better bell-like tone and improved richness and depth overall to the digital pianos I purchased (Steinway B, Grotian, Bechstein). The NY Steinway sounds good but it plays as if I'm hearing the piano from a distance (in the player setting) rather than sitting in front of it. Again, I'm no Pianoteq expert and I own the stage version only. I just set my VPC-1 to the PTQ touch velocity and keep everything at the default setting other than changing the audio to stereophonic. The Pianoteq 7 has become my default piano when practicing on the VPC-1 once again. My Ravenscroft sounds nice but PTQ 7 has closed the gap and the playability of PTQ7 is leaps and bounds better than Ravenscroft in my moderate mac mini set-up.


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So I tried the demo version of Pianoteq 7 and initially I didn't know what to make of it. In fact my initial impressions was that with the new modelling across all pianos it sounded terrible.
In that statement I would only change one thing:
I'd replace Jethro's "initial impression" (which lasted perhaps a day) to "perpetual impression" (which, for me, has lasted about ten years). smile

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Originally Posted by Jethro
So I tried the demo version of Pianoteq 7 and initially I didn't know what to make of it. In fact my initial impressions was that with the new modelling across all pianos it sounded terrible. Maybe I had it set-up wrong but all my pianos sounded as if I was playing a piano in bathtub. So I watched a video of a review of PTQ 7 and the gentleman's NY Steinway sounded better than mine. So I changed the audio setting from Binaural to Stereophonic and that makes a big difference. When I play the pianos while wearing a headphone the binaural setting is now overwhelming. It's as if I've got soundwaves bouncing all around my head and everything is just mashed together and thin. It's as if I'm listening to a binaural sample binaurally if that makes any sense. The new 3D modelling becomes too much if you listen to these pianos in the binaural setting if you ask me. Once set to stereophonic everything clears up and I do like the sound of all my pianos. There seems to be more clarity and attack, a better bell-like tone and improved richness and depth overall to the digital pianos I purchased (Steinway B, Grotian, Bechstein). The NY Steinway sounds good but it plays as if I'm hearing the piano from a distance (in the player setting) rather than sitting in front of it. Again, I'm no Pianoteq expert and I own the stage version only. I just set my VPC-1 to the PTQ touch velocity and keep everything at the default setting other than changing the audio to stereophonic. The Pianoteq 7 has become my default piano when practicing on the VPC-1 once again. My Ravenscroft sounds nice but PTQ 7 has closed the gap and the playability of PTQ7 is leaps and bounds better than Ravenscroft in my moderate mac mini set-up.

I enjoyed the stage version and its limitations (simplicity), but the standard is so much better. You can do much more with version 7, like, adjusting hammer hardness (what a difference!) and 88 note volume control, not available on version 6 except in pro form.
I'd advise d/l the trial Standard first.


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n that statement I would only change one thing:
I'd replace Jethro's "initial impression" (which lasted perhaps a day) to "perpetual impression" (which, for me, has lasted about ten years).

Now we know what your problem is. You need to go see an ENT doctor and have your "Ears" cleaned out MacMacMac wink


All these years playing and I still consider myself a novice.
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n that statement I would only change one thing:
I'd replace Jethro's "initial impression" (which lasted perhaps a day) to "perpetual impression" (which, for me, has lasted about ten years).

Now we know what your problem is. You need to go see an ENT doctor and have your "Ears" cleaned out MacMacMac wink

Alas, during lock-down, I suspect he'll have to buy the DIY ear syringe and experiment over the sink.


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Re: Pianoteq 7 has now been released
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My MIL has hearing aids and Pianoteq version 5 she didn't like either. When version 6 came out it didn't bother her. She never could explain why version 5 did and version 6 was fine. So I do realize some will never like Pianoteq and that is fine. She hasn't heard me play Pianoteq's newest version so we shall see.


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Originally Posted by Jethro
So I tried the demo version of Pianoteq 7 and initially I didn't know what to make of it. In fact my initial impressions was that with the new modelling across all pianos it sounded terrible. Maybe I had it set-up wrong but all my pianos sounded as if I was playing a piano in bathtub. So I watched a video of a review of PTQ 7 and the gentleman's NY Steinway sounded better than mine. So I changed the audio setting from Binaural to Stereophonic and that makes a big difference. When I play the pianos while wearing a headphone the binaural setting is now overwhelming. It's as if I've got soundwaves bouncing all around my head and everything is just mashed together and thin. It's as if I'm listening to a binaural sample binaurally if that makes any sense. The new 3D modelling becomes too much if you listen to these pianos in the binaural setting if you ask me. Once set to stereophonic everything clears up and I do like the sound of all my pianos. There seems to be more clarity and attack, a better bell-like tone and improved richness and depth overall to the digital pianos I purchased (Steinway B, Grotian, Bechstein). The NY Steinway sounds good but it plays as if I'm hearing the piano from a distance (in the player setting) rather than sitting in front of it. Again, I'm no Pianoteq expert and I own the stage version only. I just set my VPC-1 to the PTQ touch velocity and keep everything at the default setting other than changing the audio to stereophonic. The Pianoteq 7 has become my default piano when practicing on the VPC-1 once again. My Ravenscroft sounds nice but PTQ 7 has closed the gap and the playability of PTQ7 is leaps and bounds better than Ravenscroft in my moderate mac mini set-up.

Interesting your note about the stereophonic/binaural output. After your post I did play around with this, as well as switching from mics to binaural in the microphone editor. My impression is the you can make the Steinways somewhat better and make the Bechstein a lot worse. So I'm still not sold on the Steinways.

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Here is Pianoteq's Grotrian Concert Royal recorded with real chamber music instruments for our Beethoven 2020 project.

The two excerpts in the video are the Trio for Clarinet, Cello and Piano Op. 11 and the Cello Sonata in G minor Op. 5 No. 2.

I can't wait to hear how it will sound with version 7.



We have posted the complete recording program here: http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...vative-project-on-ulule.html#Post3047674

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Originally Posted by Gibraltar
Here is Pianoteq's Grotrian Concert Royal recorded with real chamber music instruments for our Beethoven 2020 project.

The two excerpts in the video are the Trio for Clarinet, Cello and Piano Op. 11 and the Cello Sonata in G minor Op. 5 No. 2.

I can't wait to hear how it will sound with version 7.



We have posted the complete recording program here: http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...vative-project-on-ulule.html#Post3047674
Very nice! I love these pieces and I think the Grotrian is a great choice for this music. I've been looking for a project like this, how's the piano recorded, is it recorded with microphones with the other musicians or is it lined? Anyway, very nicely done!

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Originally Posted by Gibraltar
Here is Pianoteq's Grotrian Concert Royal recorded with real chamber music instruments for our Beethoven 2020 project.

The two excerpts in the video are the Trio for Clarinet, Cello and Piano Op. 11 and the Cello Sonata in G minor Op. 5 No. 2.

I can't wait to hear how it will sound with version 7.



We have posted the complete recording program here: http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...vative-project-on-ulule.html#Post3047674


Agreed. This sounds lovely. I'm a hobbyist and aspiring songwriter. I have a bunch of Pianoteq instrument packs including the Grotrian. I find the Grotrian piano to be slightly less resonant which is perfect for songs that can get swamped from too much pedal. However, I found that the Grotrian in Pianoteq 6 had a slightly unnatural decay which led me to practice and play using different models. I don't detect this issue in Pianoteq 7.


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Originally Posted by Gibraltar
Here is Pianoteq's Grotrian Concert Royal recorded with real chamber music instruments for our Beethoven 2020 project.

The two excerpts in the video are the Trio for Clarinet, Cello and Piano Op. 11 and the Cello Sonata in G minor Op. 5 No. 2.

I can't wait to hear how it will sound with version 7.



We have posted the complete recording program here: http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...vative-project-on-ulule.html#Post3047674

The piano does need a bit o' reverb; it sounds like it's playing in a different room to the others, or it's a too-clean recording added digitally to the mix.

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Originally Posted by peterws
Originally Posted by Gibraltar
Here is Pianoteq's Grotrian Concert Royal recorded with real chamber music instruments for our Beethoven 2020 project.

The two excerpts in the video are the Trio for Clarinet, Cello and Piano Op. 11 and the Cello Sonata in G minor Op. 5 No. 2.

I can't wait to hear how it will sound with version 7.



We have posted the complete recording program here: http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...vative-project-on-ulule.html#Post3047674

The piano does need a bit o' reverb; it sounds like it's playing in a different room to the others, or it's a too-clean recording added digitally to the mix.

Well Peter of course it was played in a different room. Covid don't you know wink


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Found an interesting morphing example on YouTube:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qUSituzkDcQ

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I've played NY Steinway in Pianoteq 7 a lot since release and I have to say this is probably my favorite sound in PT. It sounds very close to actual Steinway D. Sound is so deep and colorful, I didn't notice any downgrade to sound in other presets, although I have to admit I've spent ~70% of the time with NY Steinway. I will get back to them and then report back, all I can say for now that new preset is awesome.

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Originally Posted by Gibraltar
Here is Pianoteq's Grotrian Concert Royal recorded with real chamber music instruments for our Beethoven 2020 project.

The two excerpts in the video are the Trio for Clarinet, Cello and Piano Op. 11 and the Cello Sonata in G minor Op. 5 No. 2.

I can't wait to hear how it will sound with version 7.



We have posted the complete recording program here: http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...vative-project-on-ulule.html#Post3047674

Such a beautiful music and lovely piano playing! If only it was using a better virtual piano or even a real acoustic piano but I guess in this COVID situation that's the reality...

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I’m beginning to think that even real -flesh and bones- musicians will become somewhat obsolete soon (except for us, of course, ‘cause someone has to control them string VSTs).

Yes, there are ‘real’ musicians (I suppose) in this recording, but they’re not that much ahead of top-notch VSTs (have you heard ‘sample-modeling’ strings?)

I can only imagine Beethoven having access to this technology back then. He hated working with flesh-and-bones musicians and was known to have said on many occasions, “if only I could have an orchestra without the actual musicians”. Of course, his contemporaries thought him crazy for this, but Beethoven was so far ahead of the rest that I can see him visualizing a Mac Pro running hundreds of VSTs that would do exactly what he asked without complaining about pay, and without stabbing him in the back after rehearsals, “that stupid Beethoven thinks he’s a genius; I’ll show him who’s the real genius”.

I can see him composing/playing all his masterpieces at home using Pro Tools as a host for Pianoteq & friends; and then rendering, mastering, and releasing his works online (is it Spotify or iTunes? I’m old, so I don’t know). Occasionally he might also collaborate with ‘real’ musicians online, but only very rarely, and only if the first violin was a hot blonde! He also had a thing for brunettes!

Trust me, had this been the case, and we would’ve had even more Beethoven music, and might I add, less angry and more joyful Beethoven music!

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less angry and more joyful Beethoven music!
But we wouldn't want that, would we? shocked

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Hmm, you do have a point! wink

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