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Re: Pianoteq 7 has now been released
QuasiUnaFantasia #3047152 11/18/20 10:30 AM
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Wondering what would have happened if I had written that I don't like PT. Don't get me wrong, I do like PT and the demos are my day to day tool, except for when I need the missing notes. I am not buying it yet because I 've just paid 2k for the Roland. If the Roland sound/experience is not good enough for me in the long run, PT would be my first option, since it works good enough for my practicing.

If everything was perfect out of the box, they would not have released 3 revisions during the first week. It has just been released and a couple of things may occur. It's totally reasonable and nothing to nag about. Actually, they are rather quick in fixing things.

Btw the analogy of PT and Sistine Chapel totally surpasses my thinking/processing capability by far smile

Speaking of which now I am totally confused whether I should continue considering that PT is good for me (don't really care if it's better or not compared to other VSTs), because:
* Woody is good, but PT is not woody enough
* tiny is not good, but PT is tiny?
* PT does not need a tuner, which is rather good (married, 2 kids)

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Re: Pianoteq 7 has now been released
QuasiUnaFantasia #3047163 11/18/20 11:09 AM
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Why i like Pianoteq:

1. Standalone and no fiddling with things like iLok etc.
2. Low Requirements (Space, CPU, RAM)
3. Short Loading Times
4. Many Instruments
5. A ton of settings
6. Short latency without additional work

Is it perfect? No but i can live with the small things that aren't perfect while PT does other things right where other VSTs are lacking.


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Re: Pianoteq 7 has now been released
Tyr #3047169 11/18/20 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Tyr
Why i like Pianoteq:

1. Standalone and no fiddling with things like iLok etc.
2. Low Requirements (Space, CPU, RAM)
3. Short Loading Times
4. Many Instruments
5. A ton of settings
6. Short latency without additional work

In principle, I agree with you on all those points. However, I recently bought Ivory II Studio Grands, and they fare like this:

1. Standalone and no fiddling with things like iLok etc.
2. Low Requirements (running on an old, refubished DELL core-i3 office PC).
3. Short Loading Times (similar to Pianoteq).
4. Two Instruments.
5. A ton of settings
6. Short latency without additional work

Pretty much the same as Pianoteq, and the Studio Grands sound far better. I wish Modarrt could fix the aspects of the sound that irritate (for me there is a kind of "voice less" burst of air right before every sound begins ... I know, difficult to convey meaningfully in words, but that's about the best I can do with this experience).

I expect Pianoteq to be really good at some point in the future. My gut tells me that future is more than 10 years away.


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Originally Posted by QuasiUnaFantasia
(for me there is a kind of "voice less" burst of air right before every sound begins ... I know, difficult to convey meaningfully in words, but that's about the best I can do with this experience).
If it is before every key, then maybe the simulated action/key noise?

If it is every time Pianoteq goes from silent to making sound, it could be some weird interaction with your audio card/drivers or the various buffer size settings. That might be worth asking Modartt about.

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Originally Posted by QuasiUnaFantasia
(for me there is a kind of "voice less" burst of air right before every sound begins ... I know, difficult to convey meaningfully in words, but that's about the best I can do with this experience).
If it is before every key, then maybe the simulated action/key noise?

If it is every time Pianoteq goes from silent to making sound, it could be some weird interaction with your audio card/drivers or the various buffer size settings. That might be worth asking Modartt about.

It is audible also in nearly all the sound examples on Modarrts website, regardless of which PC (and DAC) I used. I have not checked recently (since getting version 7), but I always turn the action/key noise off entirely, so I expect it is simply an integrated aspect of the sound production algorithm.

Maybe I can phrase the experience differently: It is as if the "ghost" of every note can be heard a tiny fraction of a second before the note itself appears. (As if that explanation clears everything up smile ).


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Like Tyr, is it perfect, heck no but for my needs it is fine. But I do find it funny when folks keep comparing it to the $$$$$ Steinway or Yamaha they have or have tried. Of course it will fall short or I hope it does. There something about having the strings vibrate on a real piano that I don't know if software can replace. Yes I also know there are people here that don't like the sound compared to a toy piano. I disagree with them.

Maybe if a company comes out with a pair of soundboards you hang on a wall without being the do it yourself type that would help PianoTeq.


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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Woody is good. Tinny is not.
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But is it woody enough?

Frightful piano sounds. Perfectly dreadful.

Re: Pianoteq 7 has now been released
FloRi89 #3047191 11/18/20 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by FloRi89
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Woody is good. Tinny is not.
Originally Posted by johanibraaten
But is it woody enough?

Frightful piano sounds. Perfectly dreadful.

That could be there next piano LOL Of course there will still be some that say they didn't get it right!


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Originally Posted by EPW
There something about having the strings vibrate on a real piano that I don't know if software can replace.

How do you know those ‘strings’ on that ‘real’ piano are not part of an all-encompassing simulation software, and that you, too, are simply part of that simulation?

We insignificant things have barely scratched the surface with our basic little simulations within the larger simulation. So yes, we can create a virtual personal assistant, namely, SIRI; or can we? No!

Although we believe with high certainty that indeed we are creators the truth is that we are no more than working bees simply following commands previously programmed by aliens into the all-encompassing simulation.

You think you have free will? Think again, bumbling bee; for that thing you just ‘created’ is no more than the sum of 0s and 1s previously ordained (programmed) by Timmy (aka The Alien). smirk

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QuasiUnaFantasia #3047198 11/18/20 12:57 PM
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@Pete14 how did you find out that my code name is Neo. Now I must break out of the Matrix of PianoTeq, otherwise I shall not exist anymore! Here I thought you liked me frown


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Ones man's truth is another man's lies! With all that is happening now in the world Pianoteq 7 is a nice distraction.


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Originally Posted by EPW
Ones man's truth is another man's lies! With all that is happening now in the world Pianoteq 7 is a nice distraction.

Yes, and it's nice that Pianoteq is something we all can agree on. smile


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Originally Posted by EPW
@Pete14 how did you find out that my code name is Neo. Now I must break out of the Matrix of PianoTeq, otherwise I shall not exist anymore! Here I thought you liked me frown

I do like you, Neo, but our cover has been blown and the agents are headed our way.

I’ve been trying to connect with the mother-ship for a teleporting rotary-dial phone to no avail; it seems like the mother-ship has been overtaken by the sentinels.

I’m also trying very hard to get an appointment with the oracle, but I can only hope she’s still alive and baking cookies.

Keep an eye on Abdol (I think he might be an undercover agent).........

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Originally Posted by Pete14
Originally Posted by EPW
@Pete14 how did you find out that my code name is Neo. Now I must break out of the Matrix of PianoTeq, otherwise I shall not exist anymore! Here I thought you liked me frown

I do like you, Neo, but our cover has been blown and the agents are headed our way.

I’ve been trying to connect with the mother-ship for a teleporting rotary-dial phone to no avail; it seems like the mother-ship has been overtaken by the sentinels.

I’m also trying very hard to get an appointment with the oracle, but I can only hope she’s still alive and baking cookies.

Keep an eye on Abdol (I think he might be an undercover agent).........

laugh laugh laugh
You are having too much fun!


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Maybe the damper noise? It is somewhat excessive in some piano models. It is very easy do diminish it or even eliminate.


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QuasiUnaFantasia #3047239 11/18/20 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by QuasiUnaFantasia
In principle, I agree with you on all those points. However, I recently bought Ivory II Studio Grands, and they fare like this:

1. Standalone and no fiddling with things like iLok etc.
2. Low Requirements (running on an old, refubished DELL core-i3 office PC).
3. Short Loading Times (similar to Pianoteq).
4. Two Instruments.
5. A ton of settings
6. Short latency without additional work

1. Well, Ivory works with iLok. You have the choice of PC or dongle storage of the licence. Personally I prefer the dongle (if my PC become out of order, I don’t lost one of my license... I am aware that I have 3 licenses. If my dongle is broken, I can use on the PC a spare license will I send my dongle to the RMA). With the Pianoteq protection, we don’t have yo worry about broken PC : just desactivate the PC from the Modartt site and activate an other. Kontakt based libraries seem nice from the protection point of view.
2. Low requirements : I agree about CPU. About memory, I have (only) 8GB, it is Ok for Ivory which takes 1GB (but I suppose a 4GB PC will have an hard time to keep the samples in memory with the OS memory stress). About disk, it takes some space and if we like to have multiple instruments, a big drive is required. If we want to have low loading time, a SSD is required too (more expensive).
3. This depends of the drive type. Loading times made me change my drive by an SSD.
4. The number of instruments is a plus of pianoteq if we are budget limited (only 50$/instrument), or space limited.
5. The settings of Pianoteq are quite exclusive... but I can’t use them (as a Stage Pianoteq user).
6. Ok, the latency depends of the ASIO driver and settings... we need a very bad VST to add extra latency.


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Originally Posted by Frédéric L
1. Well, Ivory works with iLok. You have the choice of PC or dongle storage of the licence.

Yes, mea culpa! I forgot about the iLok because I already had an account, so it didn't mentally register like much of an issue. I was thinking about the iLok dongle, which is no longer required.


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Originally Posted by Pete14
Originally Posted by EPW
There something about having the strings vibrate on a real piano that I don't know if software can replace.

How do you know those ‘strings’ on that ‘real’ piano are not part of an all-encompassing simulation software, and that you, too, are simply part of that simulation?

We insignificant things have barely scratched the surface with our basic little simulations within the larger simulation. So yes, we can create a virtual personal assistant, namely, SIRI; or can we? No!

Although we believe with high certainty that indeed we are creators the truth is that we are no more than working bees simply following commands previously programmed by aliens into the all-encompassing simulation.

You think you have free will? Think again, bumbling bee; for that thing you just ‘created’ is no more than the sum of 0s and 1s previously ordained (programmed) by Timmy (aka The Alien). smirk

Think y'need to chuck in a bit of Religiosity here, Pete; you're nearly there. Stir up a hornet's nest . . .


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Ha with each of this Pianoteq 6 to 7 upgrade its like 3 updated and improved pianos for my Kawai VPC-1 for only $33. Try THAT on a Clavinova!


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Bach/Busoni Chaconne in D minor BWV 1004
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Chopin: G Minor Ballade


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Originally Posted by peterws
Originally Posted by Pete14
Originally Posted by EPW
There something about having the strings vibrate on a real piano that I don't know if software can replace.

How do you know those ‘strings’ on that ‘real’ piano are not part of an all-encompassing simulation software, and that you, too, are simply part of that simulation?

We insignificant things have barely scratched the surface with our basic little simulations within the larger simulation. So yes, we can create a virtual personal assistant, namely, SIRI; or can we? No!

Although we believe with high certainty that indeed we are creators the truth is that we are no more than working bees simply following commands previously programmed by aliens into the all-encompassing simulation.

You think you have free will? Think again, bumbling bee; for that thing you just ‘created’ is no more than the sum of 0s and 1s previously ordained (programmed) by Timmy (aka The Alien). smirk

Think y'need to chuck in a bit of Religiosity here, Pete; you're nearly there. Stir up a hornet's nest . . .

Plus with Pete talking about Bumble Bee he needs to bring in some talk about Transformers and Cars, Trucks too laugh


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