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Help!! Roland LX 17 vs LX 706
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I am ready to pull the trigger on buying the Roland LX 706. I have been researching, and trying out multiple digital pianos, and finally landed on this model. The price, is $3200.

But Yesterday, I went to a local used piano store, just to check out what they had, due diligence before I purchased the LX 706, and found a 2018 LX 17 for $2500.

Now I am doing more research on this model- one I haven’t even considered. This model is no longer made, but From what I hear, it is great.

Any advice on which one to choose?

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Hi Jdaye10,
for me...

LX17= Better speaker system + older soundengine wich i prefer to the latest soundengine.
I returned my LX706 for an HP704 only for the sound engine, (same as LX17) but this is personal.
Their is a fantastic speaker system in LX17 (better than LX706). This is not personal, this is!

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Thank you for your feedback. Wow, Interesting and telling you actually returned an LX706 for for an HP704! I played the LX 17 and you’re right-the speaker system is definitely better-and it has the open the top that allows you to experience the sound in a different way. Can you articulate what exactly you like about the old sound engine vs the new?

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I remember, i had a problem with the thin sound around middle c and up. (i started to like the bas register after a while)
I never could fall in love with the American grands, i didn't like the look, it was to much for me...
If you use headphones 90% of your playing time then you don't need an LX17 and HP704 will do.
But this is so personal. The new soundengine can be perfect for you, we all have different ears...

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Originally Posted by Jdaye10
I am ready to pull the trigger on buying the Roland LX 706. I have been researching, and trying out multiple digital pianos, and finally landed on this model. The price, is $3200.

But Yesterday, I went to a local used piano store, just to check out what they had, due diligence before I purchased the LX 706, and found a 2018 LX 17 for $2500.

Now I am doing more research on this model- one I haven’t even considered. This model is no longer made, but From what I hear, it is great.

Any advice on which one to choose?

The LX 17 sounded better to me than the LX708. The CLP785 sounds better than both Roland's. Also, you should check out the Casio GP310 & GP510, plus the Kawai CA79 & CA99.


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Re: Help!! Roland LX 17 vs LX 706
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I had the LX7 and upgraded to the LX706 in June and it is a big improvement. A much better note envelope, better recording ability, better action, better design, book holders, etc. However, if you do purchase the LX708, or the LX706 you should look through the various threads hear about altering the sound, in particular the tuning from 442 to 440.

But, MOST IMPORTANT, you really do need to try out the various pianos before purchasing. You will get all sorts of recommendations from people here who like their own brand - that's why they bought them.


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Re: Help!! Roland LX 17 vs LX 706
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Originally Posted by Colin Miles
I had the LX7 and upgraded to the LX706 in June and it is a big improvement. A much better note envelope, better recording ability, better action, better design, book holders, etc. However, if you do purchase the LX708, or the LX706 you should look through the various threads hear about altering the sound, in particular the tuning from 442 to 440.

But, MOST IMPORTANT, you really do need to try out the various pianos before purchasing. You will get all sorts of recommendations from people here who like their own brand - that's why they bought them.

Whilst Colin is correct comparing the LX7 to the LX706,
the LX17 is a different beast, because it is amplified properly, whereas the LX706 doesn't have that wow factor with its amplification.

I tested the LX708 and IMO, the sound tone is a marginal improvement, but the sound clarity is disappointing. The dynamic sensitivity is there, but the dynamic range feels compressed compared to the LX17. My wow moment in that test session came with the test of the CLP685 which was significantly more enjoyable to play compared to the LX708. The difference in quality of sound fidelity is night and day, which led me to heavily criticise Roland. Later others mentioned that the CLP685 was their favourite out of the current crop too, so I think Roland are OK but just got left behind in the sound quality stakes by Yamaha.

I would rank them thus:
CLP685
Casio GP510
NORD grand
Kawai CA98 (was no CA99 then)
Kawai ES8
Roland LX17
Roland LX708

Please note: it was not a close thing, the Yamaha amplification and Binaural sound put the CLP685 clearly ahead of all competition, although the Gp510 action was amazing for the price tag.

Roland 3d sound wasn't impressive.

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I should have added that I play mainly with headphones, or very quietly without them so as not to annoy others. So Doug is probably right about the amplification factor. I am not a particular fan of the Yamaha action and prefer the Casio. I prefer the Yamaha sound to the Kawai. It is all a matter of personal preference so don't be put off by our personal biases. Choose what is right for you.


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I found the escapement on the yamaha digitals to be too pronounced, almost as if it was built with some degree of compensation to overcome other less real action elements. I love the yamaha acoustic actions, probably my favorite. I remember going through the roland range, and as above, the middle keys did sound a bit muddled on all LX700 models, and this was especially pronounced on the 705 model. I have no doubt this can be improved digitally and wont really be limited by the hardware. I have an lx currently on order, hopefully shipping in 10 days or so. I went through every digital piano i could find, and at one point i said, everything about all these is disappointing..... but then i said, will any of these make a great practice machine? YES! Almost all are great in this context, so i chose Roland mostly on account if the action feel and the style of the cabinet which i think is modern and well designed.

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Originally Posted by Colin Miles
I should have added that I play mainly with headphones, or very quietly without them so as not to annoy others. So Doug is probably right about the amplification factor. I am not a particular fan of the Yamaha action and prefer the Casio. I prefer the Yamaha sound to the Kawai. It is all a matter of personal preference so don't be put off by our personal biases. Choose what is right for you.

I thought that the CLP685 action was quite good. Maybe on the heavier side, but much better than the NWX action.

I think if you like VSTs, then the Casio GP510 makes a lot of sense.


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Check what sort of warranty you’d get with a used LX-17.

My understanding, with the current LX models in the UK, is that you get a 10 year warranty if you register the product with Roland. I don’t believe it’s transferable, so selling it doesn’t give the next owner the remainder of the warranty.

....but on the amplification side of things (which seems to be a complaint/inadequacy with many DPs), you do get a better setup on the LX-17 (on paper). So it’s definitely something you’d have to experience for yourself, and decide for yourself.

Also, as others have alluded to: the HP-704 has a few fans... pinching sales from would be LX-705/706 buyers. Give it a try whilst you’re out testing other models (if you haven’t already).

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For me, the deciding factor when choosing between the LX-706 and LX-17 would be the action. The speakers would be much lower on my list of priorities.

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Originally Posted by Doug M.
Originally Posted by Colin Miles
I should have added that I play mainly with headphones, or very quietly without them so as not to annoy others. So Doug is probably right about the amplification factor. I am not a particular fan of the Yamaha action and prefer the Casio. I prefer the Yamaha sound to the Kawai. It is all a matter of personal preference so don't be put off by our personal biases. Choose what is right for you.

I thought that the CLP685 action was quite good. Maybe on the heavier side, but much better than the NWX action.
I have played many acoustics in over 70 years and never come across anything remotely like the CLP685 action - I felt I was wading through treacle and yes I am sure you can get used to it - or maybe not. As for the difference in actions between the LX17 and the LX706 I don't think it is as much as the difference between the sounds, that is via the headphones. It will also depend on what level you are as to how much this all means to you. I was getting somewhat frustrated with the LX7 when playing certain pieces as I could hear what wasn't right and the LX706 has largely overcome that, though I am currently playing a piece, Chopin's Andante Spianato where I feel that it still isn't quite right. I need an acoustic!


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Originally Posted by johnstaf
For me, the deciding factor when choosing between the LX-706 and LX-17 would be the action. The speakers would be much lower on my list of priorities.

It's not just the speakers I'm afraid. In fact, the binaural effect on the CLP seems to be the driver in sound clarity. You hear it from the speakers via stereo output, but through headphones, it's even better.

In store, Roland pianos in general all performed very poorly using cheaper store cans but also via HD650's. Quite possibly - - - as Bruce from Philly thinks - - - Roland headphone amps are cheap and nasty. I don't expect that of the LX708, leading me to think that this particular modeling chip isn't competitive with 2020 sampling engines, especially Yamaha' s binaural effect.


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Originally Posted by Doug M.
Originally Posted by johnstaf
For me, the deciding factor when choosing between the LX-706 and LX-17 would be the action. The speakers would be much lower on my list of priorities.

It's not just the speakers I'm afraid. In fact, the binaural effect on the CLP seems to be the driver in sound clarity. You hear it from the speakers via stereo output, but through headphones, it's even better.

In store, Roland pianos in general all performed very poorly using cheaper store cans but also via HD650's. Quite possibly - - - as Bruce from Philly thinks - - - Roland headphone amps are cheap and nasty. I don't expect that of the LX708, leading me to think that this particular modeling chip isn't competitive with 2020 sampling engines, especially Yamaha' s binaural effect.
Not my experience with Roland headphones - am currently using HD599's. I think this is an excellent example to the OP as to how people hear things differently and also play differently. He needs to make up his own mind.


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Sorry - I should have made it clear that they are Sennheiser (open) Roland headphones. But I have previously used a closed Sennheiser and the Roland open were far better. Bonners also use closed Rolands for their customers to try out digitals - or they did when I last spoke to them.


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Originally Posted by lvercaut
Hi Jdaye10,
for me...

LX17= Better speaker system + older soundengine wich i prefer to the latest soundengine.
I returned my LX706 for an HP704 only for the sound engine, (same as LX17) but this is personal.
Their is a fantastic speaker system in LX17 (better than LX706). This is not personal, this is!
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Originally Posted by Doug M.
Originally Posted by johnstaf
For me, the deciding factor when choosing between the LX-706 and LX-17 would be the action. The speakers would be much lower on my list of priorities.

It's not just the speakers I'm afraid. In fact, the binaural effect on the CLP seems to be the driver in sound clarity. You hear it from the speakers via stereo output, but through headphones, it's even better.

In store, Roland pianos in general all performed very poorly using cheaper store cans but also via HD650's. Quite possibly - - - as Bruce from Philly thinks - - - Roland headphone amps are cheap and nasty. I don't expect that of the LX708, leading me to think that this particular modeling chip isn't competitive with 2020 sampling engines, especially Yamaha' s binaural effect.
Not my experience with Roland headphones - am currently using HD599's. I think this is an excellent example to the OP as to how people hear things differently and also play differently. He needs to make up his own mind.

The HD599's are lower impedence cans, so probably suiting a weaker internal amp than the HD650's. I just expect a top range piano to be able to power 300 ohms impedence.

The LX708 action was better at the top of the black keys, but the qualities and character of the action felt very close to the PHA50.

I had the advantage of a whole day's testing at Dawsons in Manchester where I could switch between all these models and directly cross compare multiple models with enough time to fully explore settings etc.

The only major non-hybrid I didn't test was the CA99, as that was released but not yet available.

Roland seem some way behind on sound clarity, why I do not know. However, as a fan of modeling and of the LX17 and v-piano, I expected a lot more from the LX708.

The Roland LX708 and RD2000 models lacked gravitas, volume, sound stage and dynamic range: boxy is how I would uncharitable describe the sound, compressed is my choice of adjective.

There were some definite improvements in the piano tone but nothing I tried greatly improved the muffled compressed sound quality. Hearing the Yamaha may have exaggerated the sense of the Roland being behind. The 3d did help, but marginally. The false TRS was nice to have, but not gratifying in the way the N1 or N2 was when I tested them. Still, they should stick with that and improve it---institute a full TRS.

I was so concerned that I was doing something wrong with the settings on both LX708 and RD2000, I did factory resets, played with effects and modelling tweeks... I even asked to test the HD650's as a ruse to double check if the store headphones were non compatible with the Roland.

I think that the only thing I would in hindsight have tried would be to use a powerful headphone amp. That might have improved the RD2000, which I could forgive for having a poor headphone amp, as it's a stage work horse. I didn't expect the LX708 flagship to suffer from the same signiture. If I tested again, I'd probably want to go with a set of custom piano designer settings, as a few owners have identified better setup for the presets.

What worries me is that the attempt to create better tone has led to this muffled quality which ruins the main benefit of modelling: that organic quality in terms of dynamic control.

In the end, I was forced to consider that Yamaha had simply made a big step forward with binaural sampling in terms of clarity, and that the Kawai and Casio sound clarity was better than the Roland by maybe 20%. I felt that the ES8 sounded clearer than the LX708 Roland with cans. Funnily enough, I still prefer the Kawai tone than the Yamaha, but not the clarity.

Therefore, I would caution Roland fans to test multiple models before gunning for and LX700 series. Tbh, I feel the LX17 has better amplification than the LX708 and the V-piano still feels more nuanced than any of the later Roland models in terms of the dynamic control.

I'm hoping the next LX model will improve the experience more than the tone, as if you were to choose to sacrifice dynamic range and sound stage for tone improvements, you lose the main benefits of modelling. Also, they could do with supplying decent internal headphone amps.


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I have the lx 705 I am pretty satisfying with it, in terms of feature and action the CLP series , at least the equivalent are not that better, but I guess the sound for the main pianos might be different stories.


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Originally Posted by Doug M.
The LX708 action was better at the top of the black keys, but the qualities and character of the action felt very close to the PHA50.

I had the advantage of a whole day's testing at Dawsons in Manchester where I could switch between all these models and directly cross compare multiple models with enough time to fully explore settings etc.

Roland seem some way behind on sound clarity, why I do not know. However, as a fan of modeling and of the LX17 and v-piano, I expected a lot more from the LX708.

The Roland LX708 and RD2000 models lacked gravitas, volume, sound stage and dynamic range: boxy is how I would uncharitable describe the sound, compressed is my choice of adjective.

There were some definite improvements in the piano tone but nothing I tried greatly improved the muffled compressed sound quality. .
Well Doug M. unlike you I have had the advantage of playing the LX7 for nearly 3 years and the LX706 for nearly 4 months as well as trying out many other digitals and acoustics and I can assure you that there is absolutely nothing muffled or lacking in dynamic range or control with the LX706. Of course it isn't perfect but then no digitals are. As for the CLP685, when I was helping out my dealer we got to discuss many things and one of them was the action and his reaction was the same as mine. 'What have they done to it?'


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Originally Posted by Doug M.
In store, Roland pianos in general all performed very poorly using cheaper store cans but also via HD650's. Quite possibly - - - as Bruce from Philly thinks - - - Roland headphone amps are cheap and nasty. I don't expect that of the LX708, leading me to think that this particular modeling chip isn't competitive with 2020 sampling engines, especially Yamaha' s binaural effect.

I use closed Sennheiser HD280 pro on my computer and there is no difference between them and the Open HD599's on the computer but on the digital pianos it is a different matter. The HD280's are boxy and we did test them out in store on digitals there as well, so it is not just me. Don't know why this is so.


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