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Struggling to decide total beginner for Debussy ES110/FP10
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Hi everyone hope we are all well smile currently trying to decide at the moment on my first ever Piano, been looking at the Digi ones and watching videos all week my dream is to learn to play and eventually get up to playing some Debussy. Which has been my dream for a long time.

Currently narrowed it down to the Kawai ES110, Roland FP30/FP10 and as another option the Casio PX770.

Just wondering have any of you experienced people played any Debussy on any of the above. (just been watching the JPS clips on youtube about the ES110)


What's everyone's take on the action's in that price range for Classical style playing.

Huge thanks in advance,

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Re: Struggling to decide total beginner for Debussy ES110/FP10
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I am assuming that you are a beginner, given that this will be your first piano.

It will likely be many years before you are able to play the pieces that Debussy is famous for (and which you are likely to have heard). By the time you are able to play such works, you wlll have acquired exponentially greater knowledge and understanding of the piano and piano music than what you currently possess. At the time your skills grow to such extent, you will be much better able to discern what type of instrument and sound you desire, and will be much better suited to making appropriate piano purchase decisions.

If you are very dedicated and diligent in your training, Debussy will come to you, but, many years from now. Until then, your piano experience will be filled with massive time commitments to practice, study, and cultivating your technique.

So, there is no point in worrying, at this time, about whether a certain composer sounds good on a certain digital piano. My advice is that your first purchase be guided by value for money spent. A realistic piano action, a sound that will not deter you from practicing, and reliability that will keep you playing for years to come is what you should be looking for.

The ES 110 seems a popular choice for beginners. Kawai is a quality company selling quality products. And, I have owned a Casio PX-760, which was the generation just preceding the PX-770 you are considering. The Casio provided great value for the money; I was happy with it up through my third year of playing. And, I do not think the Casio action had any negative impact on my learning technique, etc. While playing it almost exclusively, I was able to comfortably transfer my skills to whatever acoustic piano I had the opportunity to play.

I hope this helps you. I think you may have underestimated that task ahead of you, and consequently, put the cart a little before the horse. But, that's okay. Welcome to the piano, to our forum, and to a wonderful journey ahead.


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Re: Struggling to decide total beginner for Debussy ES110/FP10
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Thanks for taking the time to reply Ralph yep total beginner really looking forward to learning.

I totally get you it's the ultimate aim, know its a huge task to get to where I want but that's part of the challenge and the journey through dedication and learning, looking forward to putting many hours n years in to the pursuit of the goal smile an yeah haha I have a habit of doing that lol Out of work on a career break with this covid so got all day every day to get stuck in smile + I'm a geek so love the details.

Actually managed to up the budget considerably so decided to stick with looking at the Kawai's but a bit higher in the range for the Action with RHIII and escapement. My temperature environment isnt' perfect till I move so that ruled the CA's out in my head anyway as I was concerned about the wooden keys as it's a bit all over at the moment.

Has anyone had experience of the cn29/39 if so what did you prefer and why from what I've read/watched the main noticeable difference is the additional speakers and a few more bells and whistles + more Polyphony. How noticeable is the difference in the speakers everyone? smile

Thanks again,

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Forget about upping the budget.

As a beginner, the Kawai ES110 and a pair of quality headphones is a very fine choice.


Don

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Re: Struggling to decide total beginner for Debussy ES110/FP10
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Roland FP-30 owner here. I have been using the FP-30 for the past 2.5 years, after a very long hiatus from playing. Just this year I got into playing Debussy, and the instrument works perfectly fine for this. So far, I am only playing works that require a very subtle touch, and even though the FP-30 has a fairly heavy touch (at least compared to the Kawai), it easily allows gentle and etheric playing. I cannot imagine this instrument being an obstacle in anyones efforts to play Debussy.


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Re: Struggling to decide total beginner for Debussy ES110/FP10
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I’d take an FP-30 over the FP-10... so if you can (££), consider the FP-30 vs other candidates from Casio/Yamaha/Kawai.

As for the ES110 - for the life of me, I can’t remember whether I tried/heard the ES100 or ES110 when shopping for my first DP. I hadn’t had a single lesson yet, but I LIKED how it sounded... e-piano sounds were way better too.

Didn’t like the Yamaha (but it’s been updated since then AFAIK?).

I didn’t even consider/look at a Casio.

The Kawai’s higher price (at the time) steered me towards the FP-30... but I sold that a year later because I found the keys a bit harsh on my fingers. Couldn’t have known at the time of purchase because I had zero experience.

I could easily have ordered the Kawai and been very happy with it - but, as some people say: “if my auntie was a man she’d be my uncle”. 😂

Four years in... still a beginner, but I have a better idea of what I like/want.

Buy something and get stuck in... don’t spend too much. Those entry level DPs you’re considering are easy to sell should you wish to purchase something else in future. 👍

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Learning to play. Consciously incompetent, which apparently is a good starting point. smirk
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Difficult choice but ended up going for the Kawai CA-49 really looking forward to learning.

Thanks for all the advice,

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