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Seems Korg have released the Nautilus: maybe a replacement for the Kronos, albeit slightly cheaper... Guess nobody's that interested πŸ€”πŸ˜

Here it is:

https://www.gearnews.com/korg-nautilus-its-official-all-the-specs-all-the-details/


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Bloody heck.

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Tell a lie, in the rush to post, I didn't read the whole blurb: it costs 30% less, so it's a Kronos semi-skimmed...

Got newer stuff though.

Comparison video with Kronos:


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Woody had a video premiere on this. Seems like a good instrument


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Just wondering, but would it be too much to ask for a β€˜new design’ from Korg?

For god’s sake, at least place the left sliders on the right, and the volume knob a little to the left (figuratively speaking).

These workstations still look very much like the Triton from yesteryears.

β€˜Sup with that, Korg!

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I like what it can do, if you bring enough time.

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I'd love to get a workstation like that to play around with. It would just sit though as I don't have the time frown Maybe if I ever retire...


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It sits between the Krome EX and the Kronos. But price wise, it's a LOT closer to the Kronos than the Krome EX.
So not sure who this is for, exactly.

Too expensive to lure prospective Krome EX buyers away, not cheap enough to disuade people from buying a Kronos...

For example : Sweetwater has dropped the price of the Kronos 88 from $3899 to $3399 ; a Nautilus 88 costs $2699. I'd rather save up a bit more and go for the Kronos.


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Originally Posted by ChrisGoesPiano
It sits between the Krome EX and the Kronos. But price wise, it's a LOT closer to the Kronos than the Krome EX.
So not sure who this is for, exactly.

Too expensive to lure prospective Krome EX buyers away, not cheap enough to disuade people from buying a Kronos...

For example : Sweetwater has dropped the price of the Kronos 88 from $3899 to $3399 ; a Nautilus 88 costs $2699. I'd rather save up a bit more and go for the Kronos.

I was wondering about this too.
I thought of a couple of possibilities:

1) It's priced against a competitor board, rather than in relation to the Korg range
2) Korg are maybe going to release a more costly replacement to the Kronos, that is a lot more powerful and therefore expensive.

I guess the question for potential Kronos buyers is: what am I gaining / losing going with the Nautilus? Maybe it should be named: The Korg Naughty, for the cheeky price point.

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2) Korg are maybe going to release a more costly replacement to the Kronos, that is a lot more powerful and therefore expensive.

I think this is not unlikely at all, the Kronos has been around for ages, after all...

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The Korg Naughty

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If I knew there was already a thread for it I wouldn't post this:

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...044247/gonew/1/korg-nautilus.html#UNREAD

It's a watered-down Kronos, not a replacement for sure. Lacks some of the key functions such as KARMA and I guess 1-2 sound engines are not the same as Kronos.

This is for sure competing with MODX. Honestly, Krome was and M50 were nonsense keyboards comparing to MOX/F and MODX. Now we see something that pushes Yamaha to make a better keyboard.

I think they should have released a Kronos sound module. I don't like the idea of having more than two keyboards.


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Originally Posted by Abdol
If I knew there was already a thread for it I wouldn't post this:

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...044247/gonew/1/korg-nautilus.html#UNREAD

It's a watered-down Kronos, not a replacement for sure. Lacks some of the key functions such as KARMA and I guess 1-2 sound engines are not the same as Kronos.

This is for sure competing with MODX. Honestly, Krome was and M50 were nonsense keyboards comparing to MOX/F and MODX. Now we see something that pushes Yamaha to make a better keyboard.

I think they should have released a Kronos sound module. I don't like the idea of having more than two keyboards.

I thought the MODX instruments were synths...
Are the Nautilus and MODX boards functionally comparable?

Also, do Roland have similar instruments?


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"synths" is a nebulous phrase which can mean different things. But these boards are all in the same general category:

Korg: Kross, Krome, Nautilus, Kronos
Yamaha: MX, MODX, Montage
Roland: Juno DS, FA, Fantom

Any of them can also function as a DP, but compared to many/most DPs, they lack speakers, may lack triple pedal support, and often don't have these companies' best piano actions (at their price). They also usually won't have a specific metronome function, though you should be able to program in a click or equivalent. They also may lack the music stand you would expect on a DP.

OTOH, what they do have includes pitch bend/modulation controls, extensive sound sets, fully editable sounds (though it has to be done via computer on the MX). Most have sequencers of some sort, some amount of custom sample loading, extensive split/layer functions (usually up to 8 or 16 ways), and the ability to specify zones of the keyboard that will transmit on different MIDI channels, usually with zone-specific MIDI program changes and other settings. These are the kinds of things that bring them beyond what you typically find in most DPs. But that doesn't necessaruly define "synth" -- after all, a Minimoog can do almost none of these things and it's a synth too. ;-) Sometimes these are called workstations, but that phrase usually specifically refers to the ability to create, edit, and save a multi-track composition within the board, something not all those boards can do.

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Originally Posted by Doug M.
Originally Posted by Abdol
If I knew there was already a thread for it I wouldn't post this:

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...044247/gonew/1/korg-nautilus.html#UNREAD

It's a watered-down Kronos, not a replacement for sure. Lacks some of the key functions such as KARMA and I guess 1-2 sound engines are not the same as Kronos.

This is for sure competing with MODX. Honestly, Krome was and M50 were nonsense keyboards comparing to MOX/F and MODX. Now we see something that pushes Yamaha to make a better keyboard.

I think they should have released a Kronos sound module. I don't like the idea of having more than two keyboards.

I thought the MODX instruments were synths...
Are the Nautilus and MODX boards functionally comparable?

Also, do Roland have similar instruments?

I believe so. Krome is a lame synth. Nautilus has the same engines (like MODX has the same engines as Montage). No aftertouch in both, no ribbons, super simple control surface, and cheaper.

MODX runs the exact same software (OS) as Montage. Both are synths. Nautilus runs the exact same software (OS) as Kronos. Maybe the UI tweaked a bit but still looks the same as Kronos to me. Pretty fossil user interface which you have to shove your finger every time you want to modify something otherwise the resistive touchscreen won't register it.

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The MODx is much cheaper, though? Like, absurdly cheaper.

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Comparable, I don’t think so : the Montage/MODX has 2 engines (AWM2, FMX), the Kronos/Nautilus has 9 engines.

But the Montage has much more WAV samples memory.

Also Montage : 2707 performances, Kronos : 1505 MultiSamples.

Then it can be hard to compare them, two different concepts.


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The only things that matter to me:

KARMA or an advanced Arpeggiation system + an advanced sequencer.
The engines and decent samples.

I don't need any templates (millions of performances etc). I don't even need preset voices. Just give me a complete set of samples. I will put the samples together much better than the presets.

In fact, 99% of presets in my MOTIF XF (the voices, the Arps, and performances) are very weak. I have build voices and sequenced patterns from scratch that sound far better than the presets in my MOTIF.

I really appreciate good documentation and that's it.

Montage is also significantly less capable than Kronos. Montage 2 engines, Kronos 9 engines.

Watered down Montage -> MODX, watered-down Kronos Nautilus.

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