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Recording and comparing on Fp-30
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I am not sure if this is the right forum for this but here goes.

I have an FP-30 and I have been trying to compose by playing different things. I sometimes play things and forget how I played, or what I played, or play different bits and want to piece them together. The sound when recorded on the piano is FAR better than if I record to my phone or tablet but it only can record 1 song. I can transfer the 1 song by usb to my computer and transfer to wav or use as midi. I am not yet familiar with midi but am learning. I want to concentrate on the piano playing and composing for now.

Are there any other ways to record from the piano?

What are the best ways to compare - would it be in a midi program or a program that converts to sheet music so I can see the differences?

Are there other methods I can try?

Thanks!

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Honestly I've just trained myself to always have GarageBand open , this goes for when Im playing guitar as well...

I have my FP30 USB always inputted into my MacBook (same for the amp out for the guitar) , and when I practice I always just have a saved sessions going with individual instruments per track

I believe there is built in notation in Garageband (def I know it exists in Logic Pro which is the expensive big brother) but I simply just hit record on GarageBand when something Im doodling on catches my ear

hope that helps

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A MIDI connection or file is only about which keys are pressed, when and how loud. Then playing a MIDI file can be far different between the integrated MIDI synth of Windows or iPad, a multi-GB virtual piano and a genuine acoustic piano with some automation (Disklavier or CEUS).

If you want to go the MIDI way, perhaps a good virtual piano is needed (Korg module with Ivory AMerican concert grand, Ravenscroft module on iPad). Perhaps you will need a DAW to play the MIDI file to the virtual piano (Cubasis).

The WAV file way could be easier and more accurate. (Two digital piano - virtual and not - will not sound identically)


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Originally Posted by Frédéric L
The WAV file way could be easier and more accurate. (Two digital piano - virtual and not - will not sound identically)
Note they wrote: FP-30 => computer (as MIDI) => WAV file.
The FP-30 doesn't have any way to output digital audio directly. That is one of its Achilles' heels.

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Originally Posted by jpindustrie
Honestly I've just trained myself to always have GarageBand open , this goes for when Im playing guitar as well...

I have my FP30 USB always inputted into my MacBook (same for the amp out for the guitar) , and when I practice I always just have a saved sessions going with individual instruments per track

I believe there is built in notation in Garageband (def I know it exists in Logic Pro which is the expensive big brother) but I simply just hit record on GarageBand when something Im doodling on catches my ear

hope that helps

Thanks, I am a Windows and Android gal but may have to switch over as many of the music apps are IOS based.
I am wondering if you find the keys on your FP30 noisey, i just got one and find it noisier than the one I rented, for example when the keyboard is off or low the sound the key makes when you release it, perhaps my technique or sensitive ears ;-).

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Originally Posted by Frédéric L
A MIDI connection or file is only about which keys are pressed, when and how loud. Then playing a MIDI file can be far different between the integrated MIDI synth of Windows or iPad, a multi-GB virtual piano and a genuine acoustic piano with some automation (Disklavier or CEUS).

If you want to go the MIDI way, perhaps a good virtual piano is needed (Korg module with Ivory AMerican concert grand, Ravenscroft module on iPad). Perhaps you will need a DAW to play the MIDI file to the virtual piano (Cubasis).

The WAV file way could be easier and more accurate. (Two digital piano - virtual and not - will not sound identically)

I am not sure I want to get into midi right now, though perhaps in the future. I would at least at this point rather work on playing the piano and not the computer, I am just looking for a way to compare different ideas i have played, either by converting wav to sheet music or if there is another way someone knows of. Thank you

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Originally Posted by Burkey
Originally Posted by Frédéric L
The WAV file way could be easier and more accurate. (Two digital piano - virtual and not - will not sound identically)
Note they wrote: FP-30 => computer (as MIDI) => WAV file.
The FP-30 doesn't have any way to output digital audio directly. That is one of its Achilles' heels.
Yes : no audio, either with Line out or WAV file on USB drive. The only way is using headphones outputs as Line outs. The quality can be degraded, but this is the only way to record the actual FP-30 sound.

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Hi Kayron,

In the old days, we just used a small cassette recorder to capture ideas. Even the worst devices today are probably much better but we still find them unacceptable because we're used to hearing "perfection".

I've found myself spending days, weeks, months working on recording hardware, software, techniques so I can make even more perfect recording of what i play but by doing in that, I've spent zero time playing.

If you r main goal is to capture what you're playing without being distracted by technology, maybe go low tech for now and keep those ideas coming. Maybe not cassette tapes but maybe something like a small and simple digital recorder by Zoom or Tascam.

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Originally Posted by djvu10
Hi Kayron,

In the old days, we just used a small cassette recorder to capture ideas. Even the worst devices today are probably much better but we still find them unacceptable because we're used to hearing "perfection".

I've found myself spending days, weeks, months working on recording hardware, software, techniques so I can make even more perfect recording of what i play but by doing in that, I've spent zero time playing.

If you r main goal is to capture what you're playing without being distracted by technology, maybe go low tech for now and keep those ideas coming. Maybe not cassette tapes but maybe something like a small and simple digital recorder by Zoom or Tascam.

Yes, thank you, that is my point I dont want to spend time at least not now with technology. I want to play with the sounds. I am recording on my tablet externally or my phone but the sound is way better recorded internally - however it only records 1 song and then I need to transfer by usb and convert to wav. That is not the real issue. I want a good way to record and then be able to compare several bits so that I can remember them and then play with them and move things around..if that makes sense.

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https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DR05X--tascam-dr-05x-stereo-handheld-recorder?mrkgadid=3332696596&mrkgcl=28&mrkgen=gpla&mrkgbflag=0&mrkgcat=studio&recording&&acctid=21700000001645388&dskeywordid=92700046938541909&lid=92700046938541909&ds_s_kwgid=58700005285192243&ds_s_inventory_feed_id=97700000007215323&dsproductgroupid=655344300939&product_id=DR05X&prodctry=US&prodlang=en&channel=online&storeid=&device=m&network=g&matchtype=&locationid=9031478&creative=337614397637&targetid=aud-945936780674:pla-655344300939&campaignid=1465808290&gclid=CjwKCAjw8-78BRA0EiwAFUw8LE65jI6nxqAVxhly_Q-TCekbQy35N2TJ6y5ObDjBm9t-qRdU4wVePhoCE-cQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

What about something somewhat inexpensive, small and simple to use like this Kayron?

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The link doesn't seem to work but it's for a Tascam DR-05X digital recorder/audio interface.

Sweetwater is including a memory card for $89.

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If you buy this recorder, make sure you buy the correct USB cable to hook it up to your computer.

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Originally Posted by djvu10
The link doesn't seem to work but it's for a Tascam DR-05X digital recorder/audio interface.

Sweetwater is including a memory card for $89.
Working link

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Originally Posted by Kayron
I am recording on my tablet externally or my phone but the sound is way better recorded internally
That's because the FP-30 doesn't record the sound (audio) - it only records the notes (MIDI). When you play that back on the piano it plays the sound (audio).

I.e. the MIDI file that you transfer to your computer is not the sound (audio) - it is only the notes.

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I have an FP-30 (...) The sound when recorded on the piano is FAR better than if I record to my phone or tablet but it only can record 1 song. (...) Are there any other ways to record from the piano?

Hi,

I can offer two methods to record multiple songs:

METHOD A
1. Insert a flash drive in the USB memory port at the back of the piano
2. Record your song in the internal memory of the piano, as usual.
3. Transfer the recording to the flash drive (Owner's manual, page 3, lower right)
4. Repeat steps 2-3 for up to 99 songs
5. To play a recording from the flash drive, hold down the play button and hit the C#7 key
6. The change the song being played back, hold down the play button and hit one of the keys adjacent to C#7 (Owner's manual, page 3, lower right)
7. To adjust the relative volume during playback (e.g. it's a backing track of drum+bass and now you want to add live piano on top), hold down the play button and hit keys on either side of C#5

METHOD B
1. Download the Roland Piano Partner 2 app, connect it to the piano via bluetooth
2. Use the record function in the app.
3. You can rename your songs there to find them more easily.

(with method B, in my experience, only the piano "sound" is recorded, not any drum beats or split keyboard effects, whereas method A seems to records everything you perform, but I might be doing something wrong)

Cheers,

Bob

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« 3. Transfer the recording to the flash drive (Owner's manual, page 3, lower right) »

According to the specifications the save format is a MIDI file. Not Wav. Only the playback is Wav compatible.

The manual is not precise about this point.

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