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Re: Brand logos
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The new Baldwin's are still using the eightyish style logos. I prefer the old English ones posted earlier.

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1804 amazing !
That must just be old spelling "Princel'sis" or it "Princefsis" ?
I presume the word means Princesses.

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Come on all you shy Yamaha and Kawai people let us see !

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As far as I know, Mason & Hamlin uses US woods for everything (rim, beams, pinblocks, bridges, soundboard, lid, lyres, legs, etc.), US made wet sand cast iron plates (Steinway's O.S.Kelly), US made Mapes strings (at least for some models), US made WNG action with mostly US made parts (raw carbon sheets are most likely imported, and hammer felt is imported as well - Wurzen and Abel). May be, some hardware and tension resonator parts are imported.
So yes, it is US made.

This doesn’t matter much to me in terms of recommending one, but when I toured the factory, I remember hearing the plates for (then) current production were not sourced from Kelly. Also I don’t remember seeing action making equipment there. Just trying to keep my facts straight—thanks for any clarification.

The Kelly states that "the factory is busy supplying thousands of plates to Steinway’s factories in the U.S. and Hamburg as well as a few other domestic and foreign-based piano manufacturers".

I was wrong looks like, and Kelly does not build plates for M & H at least since Aeolian times; during Sohmer times plates were built by one of Sohmer facilities in CT. Considering that Sohner was bought by current M & H owners, they have got plate patterns in their possession, and probably hired an independent foundry to build plates for them.

M&H assembles action from WNG parts, you can see this on their factory tour Youtube video.

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Originally Posted by VladK
M&H assembles action from WNG parts, you can see this on their factory tour Youtube video.

Sorry, perhaps my language was imprecise. The WNG parts may well be assembled into actions at the factory, but I don't recall seeing the parts being made there. When I toured the S&S factory, you can actually see the action parts being made from scratch, mostly by machine, in New York. My recollection was the plates come from Asia. I didn't ask about the action parts. It's quite a fun factory tour and I highly recommend the trip to Haverhill!

Back when I toured the Walter factory in Elkhart about a decade ago, I recall one of the family members mentioning they still get their plates from Kelly. That's a fun tour because you get to see a building repurposed twice (from a school, to an RV manufacturer), finally into a piano factory.


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terminaldegree #3040193 10/28/20 08:16 AM
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I also feel that soundboard decals, case side logos (on large concert pianos) and decorative plate elements matter to the aesthetics of the instrument. It's often messed up by being overdone or including needless verbiage. And then there's the choice of plate color, decorative inner rims, felt color, and the presence or absence (along with the width) of the rope that's laid between the soundboard and rim...

After this thread, you should start another with, "What logos/design features do you dislike?" and I can make a pandemic-fueled negative list for you!

terminaldegree, sure it is a nice idea starting a new thread. Originally, I was thinking only in fallboard/case side logos, especially the ones with another distinctive element beside the name. Sure, there are very elegant logos with letters for some brands, I think of Bluthner and Fazioli, for example. And historical emblems, decals and elaborated plates could be another thread. For instance, I find it very interesting some plate formats, including Bluthner vintages and Grotrian-Steinweg geometrical ones.

This is what I had in mind at first (sorry, haven't learned to post pics over here directly):

1. Estonia

https://pianopricepoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Estonia-Grand-Logo.jpg


2. Sauter

https://www.michellespiano.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Omega-16-scaled.jpg


3. Steinway & Sons

https://www.amazon.com/Steinway-Grand-Piano-picture-photograph/dp/B01NADGW0T


4. Yamaha (I forgot that their logo in pianos is visible only on case sides for concert models, not on the fall board, but I find it beautiful, anyway)

https://br.yamaha.com/pt/files/DF3B...296_ce1c127d7d5835b0f427b7fc084bf19e.jpg


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Hello Fluxo; to post pictures you first need to "use full editor" button at the bottom of your post. That gives you the option of inserting the picture link and having it show the picture.


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4. Yamaha (I forgot that their logo in pianos is visible only on case sides for concert models, not on the fall board, but I find it beautiful, anyway)

I love it that the Yamaha logo -- three tuning forks -- appears on all their products including motorcycles!

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terminaldegree #3040278 10/28/20 11:03 AM
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M&H assembles action from WNG parts, you can see this on their factory tour Youtube video.

Sorry, perhaps my language was imprecise. The WNG parts may well be assembled into actions at the factory, but I don't recall seeing the parts being made there. When I toured the S&S factory, you can actually see the action parts being made from scratch, mostly by machine, in New York. My recollection was the plates come from Asia. I didn't ask about the action parts. It's quite a fun factory tour and I highly recommend the trip to Haverhill!

Back when I toured the Walter factory in Elkhart about a decade ago, I recall one of the family members mentioning they still get their plates from Kelly. That's a fun tour because you get to see a building repurposed twice (from a school, to an RV manufacturer), finally into a piano factory.

WNG is separate company under the same ownership; I guess their biggest market is rebuilders.
This is like Renner - Steinway now owns it but it stays a separate entity and sells to anybody.

I may be wrong, of course, but Grotrian is now probably the only big Kelly customer other than S & S. At least Grotrian is the only non-Steinway label on molds that I could clearly see at Kelly.
Walter, and Shadd are boutiques building few pianos per year.
Ravenscroft uses Sauter plates.
Rubenstein uses welded steel plates.
Not sure if anybody else builds new pianos in the US.


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Yes those tuning forks appear on all thier upright pianos as well =Qwerty53]
Originally Posted by Fluxo
4. Yamaha (I forgot that their logo in pianos is visible only on case sides for concert models, not on the fall board, but I find it beautiful, anyway)

I love it that the Yamaha logo -- three tuning forks -- appears on all their products including motorcycles!

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Actually they also appear on all their other musical instruments
as well, including thier plastic recorders (flutes) and thier fine wooden ones .

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I wonder if they tune the VROOM VROOOM sounds of the motorcycles?


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Originally Posted by Qwerty53
I wonder if they tune the VROOM VROOOM sounds of the motorcycles?

The huge company Yamaha became started as a modest maker of musical instruments. So, the in their case the logo is even more representative of a firm that does not deny its origins. And it is one of the reasons why I like the logo. Music reigns! smile


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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Yes those tuning forks appear on all thier upright pianos as well =Qwerty53]
Actually they also appear on all their other musical instruments
as well, including thier plastic recorders (flutes) and thier fine wooden ones .

In the pianos the logo appears only on the plates, and not on the fallboard or case sides, except for the CFX or other concert grands if costumized.

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This to me is amazing. Are those white keys actually a little concave from so many years of use?


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Originally Posted by VladK
I was wrong looks like, and Kelly does not build plates for M & H at least since Aeolian times; during Sohmer times plates were built by one of Sohmer facilities in CT. Considering that Sohner was bought by current M & H owners, they have got plate patterns in their possession, and probably hired an independent foundry to build plates for them.

Mason & Hamlin switched away from Kelly circa. 2005, VladK.

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Walter, and Shadd are boutiques building few pianos per year.

Walter used Kelly plates until a few years ago. They have gone a different direction. Shadd never used anybody's plates as he has never built or designed an actual acoustic piano.

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I wonder if they tune the VROOM VROOOM sounds of the motorcycles?
That'll be a Mazda Piano then?
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This to me is amazing. Are those white keys actually a little concave from so many years of use?

Very well observed! You are quite correct. And the ivory has an amazing gloss shine. It is always rather a thrill to play such a historic instrument. Here is another pic.

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That must just be old spelling "Princel'sis" or it "Princefsis" ?
I presume the word means Princesses.

Dear Lady Bird, this is an example of the correct typographical use use of the "long S" which was quite common in all Western European Languages in the 18th and 19th century, and was only abandonned quite recently in France because the long S looks too much like an f.

If you are interested : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_s



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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
That must just be old spelling "Princel'sis" or it "Princefsis" ?
I presume the word means Princesses.

Dear Lady Bird, this is an example of the correct typographical use use of the "long S" which was quite common in all Western European Languages in the 18th and 19th century, and was only abandonned quite recently in France because the long S looks too much like an f.

If you are interested : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_s

This is very interesting! Thank you. I had known of course that "Princeſses" meant "Princesses", but I had never heard of it referred to as a "long s", and knew nothing of the context in which it was used. Fascinating. Interesting also that the German ß is related to it.

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