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Originally Posted by Skyscrapersax
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That table has been posted several times on this forum, however I’m not sure how reliable the information is.

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That table certainly is strange. MP7SE pivot is 21cm, but the ES8 is 19? That's the same action. Is there anything changed in the RHIII between these models? MP11SE is less at 20, but VPC is *longer* at 21 - I thought this was the other way round, that RM3II was a shorter action than GF.

Yes, very strange! 19 for Casio 160; 20 for Kawai ES-110. I own 110, I own Casio PSX5 (same action as 160), Kawai feels a LITTLE shorter for key LENGTH (Casio is 3000 miles away).

These measurements are inaccurate. That's what I am saying. These experiments done are not lab experiments and they all have a large/huge margin of errors.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margi...nge,smaller%20the%20margin%20of%20error.

You need to run an experiment multiple times, you need to consider the error of your measuring tool and you also need to consider how you, yourself, can accurately read the measured value.

For a measuring tape, the all above will give you something around 1-3mm error! Try some carpentry and you'll realize that your error is easily in 1-2mm range unless you're experienced in it.

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Originally Posted by Skyscrapersax
Yes, very strange! 19 for Casio 160; 20 for Kawai ES-110. I own 110, I own Casio PSX5 (same action as 160), Kawai feels a LITTLE shorter for key LENGTH (Casio is 3000 miles away).

I think a few of the pivot length measurements were not done directly, but by comparing the key dip at the front and back of the key and calculating from there. Goes to show what happens when you take small numbers measured by different people with significant uncertainty and then perform calculations with those numbers.

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A midi controller with decent semi-weighted action that you can connect to a DP is going to be significantly superior for playing organ than any graded hammer piano action. The biggest limitation is the downweight, which limits the use of some organ techniques. Given that, it serves none of the instruments well to compromise the piano touch to make the action better, but still mediocre for organ.


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See if I put mild pressure the key goes let's say 8mm but if I push harder it goes 1cm.

This definetely sounds like the escapement jurry rig simulation resistance.

I believe Abdol is referring to the key/hammer cushion, not the let-off simulation.

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Hi, James. On my ES8, this cushion is not that pronounced, it yields maybe 1mm. And AFTER it reaches the bottom with a so called keydip of 10mm. I fail to understand what is the problem of measuring with a measuring tape with a good enough accuracy, other than considering the point where the escapement simulation offers a small resistance as the keydip (where measurement may be harder to be accurate).

"Let-off" reminds me of my archery times (though I shot olympic recurve, not compound bows).

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Thank you gives for all your informative messages. Just wanted to let you know I've ordered the MP7se.

It actually meets all my needs, and even if a new model is released in the next months, I might not like the design or some new features, and will have a hard time finding a brand new MP7se remaining on the market. As one of you said here, new model doesn't always mean better model. Some critiera can be quite subjective, and even if a new model is expected to bring more features, it won't necessarily meet someone's personal criteria.

I was only concerned about the RH3 keyboard, but I found a shop that offers 5 year warranty not too far from my home in case I need to go there, and the MP7se they'll send me was manufactured on August 2020, still sealed, so it's brand new. I believe Kawai has addresses the issue found on some earlier models, because it costs them money to manage defective products, so it'd be really stupid from a company to not fix the problem as quickly as possible.

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