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Recommendation for my second digital piano
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I currently have a Casio CDP-100, which I think was the cheapest cabinet DP I could find when I bought it. It's about 8 years old and a couple of the keys have started clicking, and I was never that happy with the piano sound. I'm thinking of replacing it and I'm wondering what people's thoughts are on what I should replace it with. I don't have much space and the place it will go is against a wall with a recessed cupboard (it goes into the space over the stairs). So the replacement has to be short enough (less than about 80cm) so that the doors can still open, which means it can't have a music stand that is fixed in place.

I first started looking at the Korg C1 Air, since the G1 Air is about 1cm too tall! I've also been considering the Roland F140R. Both are less than £1000. I've been leaning more towards the F140R.

Also in the running is the Roland DP603, which is about £1500 on some online retailers.

I'd be happy to go up to £1500 if it's worth it. In less Covid times I'd be able to go to a piano shop and try some out, but my local shop isn't open and I'm not willing to go into London. Which is why I'm here. I know the key action is different between the F140R and DP603. Would I notice the difference between them? Is the sound noticeably better on the DP603?

What would be your recommendation.

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ThatGuy11200 #3038660 10/23/20 01:58 PM
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If you want really good piano sound you have to spend BIG. I don't like the sound of cheap pianos. YMMV.

If you insist on an inexpensive piano, then have you considered using virtual instruments?
You can connect a PC or Mac to the piano and let the PC produce the sound.

It will sound much, much better than what you'll get from nearly any digital piano at any price.
Some might argue that the $10,000 to $15,000 pianos are better still. But that's a moot point if you intend to spend under $2000.

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My recommendation would be either the Kawai ES520 or the kawai ES920.

I will let you do the research necessary to decide which one would be best for you.

Good Luck


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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
If you want really good piano sound you have to spend BIG. I don't like the sound of cheap pianos. YMMV.

If you insist on an inexpensive piano, then have you considered using virtual instruments?
You can connect a PC or Mac to the piano and let the PC produce the sound.

It will sound much, much better than what you'll get from nearly any digital piano at any price.
Some might argue that the $10,000 to $15,000 pianos are better still. But that's a moot point if you intend to spend under $2000.
The $36 (sometimes $18) Ravenscroft 275 Piano app on iOS (using iphone or ipad) will be much better sounding than piano voices on inexpensive dp's. There are acceptable solutions on ios for even less, e.g., a $3 soundfont player with a decent (and free) piano soundfont. On a keyboard like the CDP-100, I think there's even an analog audio in jack, where you could connect the phone or ipad and hear it through the piano's speakers, or (better) just use headphones.

I think you give up some flexibility getting the console-based C1 Air, which I could maybe understand for some people if they're concerned about aesthetics. But the slab-based Korg D1 is cheaper, has same keyboard, and you might have more flexibility with it on a piano stand.

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I was interested in the Roland F140R & equivalently priced Kawais last August, but both were on back order at the time. So I went with a Korg C1 Air instead. It was readily available, & the specs were nice. I'm very, very happy with it: sturdy & steady, nice tones, feels wonderful to play, I like the speakers, no clicks or squeaks or unwanted noises. It seems well built, nothing chintzy about it. I originally thought I would be interested in a slab piano because of the portability. But when I had a 61 key keyboard on a stand, I didn't move it anywhere. A console isn't limiting, turns out, and is easy enough to move if I had to. I like the Korg & Roland designs because they're quite slim, unobtrusive looking, & slip nicely into a niche -- or behind a sofa, chairs, or bench, if you have them floating in the middle of the room. Fits right in with the decor. Sometimes I think it would be nice to have more than 30 tones, but at least the ones I've got sound good.

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hey @dmd I see you have Casio PX s1000 and pianoteq, how do you like that combination, is it expressive to play the caiso with it compared to other digital pianos?


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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
If you want really good piano sound you have to spend BIG. I don't like the sound of cheap pianos. YMMV.

If you insist on an inexpensive piano, then have you considered using virtual instruments?
You can connect a PC or Mac to the piano and let the PC produce the sound.

It will sound much, much better than what you'll get from nearly any digital piano at any price.
Some might argue that the $10,000 to $15,000 pianos are better still. But that's a moot point if you intend to spend under $2000.

That sounds a lot like saying "if you really want a good car you have to spend $60,000+ and buy a BMW, Lexus, or Mercedes"
Lots of folks are happy driving Mazdas, or Hyundais, and they all can go the speed limit and with minimal maintenance.

After having a Baldwin acoustic for 50 years, I'm ecstatic with my Casio PX-S3000. It does everything I need and more.


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Originally Posted by ThatGuy11200
I currently have a Casio CDP-100, which I think was the cheapest cabinet DP I could find when I bought it. It's about 8 years old and a couple of the keys have started clicking, and I was never that happy with the piano sound. I'm thinking of replacing it and I'm wondering what people's thoughts are on what I should replace it with. I don't have much space and the place it will go is against a wall with a recessed cupboard (it goes into the space over the stairs). So the replacement has to be short enough (less than about 80cm) so that the doors can still open, which means it can't have a music stand that is fixed in place.

I first started looking at the Korg C1 Air, since the G1 Air is about 1cm too tall! I've also been considering the Roland F140R. Both are less than £1000. I've been leaning more towards the F140R.

Also in the running is the Roland DP603, which is about £1500 on some online retailers.

I'd be happy to go up to £1500 if it's worth it. In less Covid times I'd be able to go to a piano shop and try some out, but my local shop isn't open and I'm not willing to go into London. Which is why I'm here. I know the key action is different between the F140R and DP603. Would I notice the difference between them? Is the sound noticeably better on the DP603?

What would be your recommendation.

Kawai MP7SE.
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Nord Grand
Roland RD2000
Roland Fantom

I like stage pianos, and these are no doubt some of the coolest instruments around. DP603 is nice looking but not something I would buy with that much money..


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With stage pianos, you need to buy speakers, stands, etc. easily add an extra $500 to it.


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The Roland FP60 you can get a furniture style set up with it and it already has speakers, if you want to spend more there’s also the FP 90 which has a different / newer action with wood, (not wood core like Kawai, but wood sides similar to Rolands RD2000) I think the FP 90 with stand and pedal unit may be out your price range, though.

Merriams Music has a good comparison of the two on Youtube.

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Originally Posted by ThatGuy11200
I currently have a Casio CDP-100, which I think was the cheapest cabinet DP I could find when I bought it. It's about 8 years old and a couple of the keys have started clicking, and I was never that happy with the piano sound. I'm thinking of replacing it and I'm wondering what people's thoughts are on what I should replace it with. I don't have much space and the place it will go is against a wall with a recessed cupboard (it goes into the space over the stairs). So the replacement has to be short enough (less than about 80cm) so that the doors can still open, which means it can't have a music stand that is fixed in place.
. . .

Also in the running is the Roland DP603, which is about £1500 on some online retailers.

I'd be happy to go up to £1500 if it's worth it. In less Covid times I'd be able to go to a piano shop and try some out, but my local shop isn't open and I'm not willing to go into London. Which is why I'm here. I know the key action is different between the F140R and DP603. Would I notice the difference between them? Is the sound noticeably better on the DP603?

I _think_ that the DP603 is essentially an FP90 in a minimal cabinet -- Supernatural Modelling sound generator, PHA-50 keyboard.

Yes, IMHO you'll notice the difference between PHA-50 (DP603/FP90) and the "PHA-4 Standard" in the F140.

The DP603 and FP90 should sound (and feel) identical through headphones. There are differences in the amps and speakers. By golly, there's an old thread about this -- be careful, not all statements are correct . . .

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2590933/Roland_FP-90_vs_DP603.html

Have fun shopping! <g>


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I went with the DP603.

First impression isn't good. I like to wear headphones and it sounds like I'm wearing ear muffs. It's a really muffled sound.

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Well, sounds like a headphone problem then. Should be easy to solve.

What kind of headphones produce that muffled sound?

I haven't tried many but people can probably recommend some models in different price ranges.

And I suppose the piano has some adjustments too...

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I suggest that you consider these two digital pianos the Casio Privia PX-560 the and PX-S3000. I believe both instruments offer a lot of features and represent excellent value for money. Read reviews and be sure to visit some stores, play the different instruments under consideration, and purchase the one that you enjoy the most.

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Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
Well, sounds like a headphone problem then. Should be easy to solve.

What kind of headphones produce that muffled sound?

I haven't tried many but people can probably recommend some models in different price ranges.

And I suppose the piano has some adjustments too...

Both of my sets of headphones do. One open back (Philips X2HR) , the other closed (old Ultrasones).

I've played around with some settings. It sounds better, but I think it's the 3D ambience that does it. It's supposed to make it sound like the sound is coming from the unit rather than the headphones, so it makes it seem a little distant. It just feels off when wearing headphones.

I'm sure I can get used to it. I just would have preferred not to have it like that.

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I have owned a DP603 for three years and am very pleased with it. It has Roland's top action and IMO sounds very good with headphones. I had tried an FP 90 and the 603 felt much better, and I particularly like the cabinet design. Like most digital pianos in its price range the external speakers are not fantastic, but i mainly play with headphones.


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I just found out how to turn off the 3D ambience (I missed it when I went through the manual before). It does sound better to my ears now.

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I suggest that you consider these two digital pianos the Casio Privia PX-560 the and PX-S3000. I believe both instruments offer a lot of features and represent excellent value for money. Read reviews and be sure to visit some stores, play the different instruments under consideration, and purchase the one that you enjoy the most.

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Originally Posted by roccodunham
I suggest that you consider these two digital pianos the Casio Privia PX-560 the and PX-S3000.

You already said that before, ThatGuy already bought a new piano (the Roland) so too late for recommendations and both of those models could be considered to be a downgrade from the Roland.

But yes, if one wants "features" then those Casio models do indeed have many at a moderate price. 🙂

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