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New DP Buyer Needs Help :-)
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Hello all,

Great to be here, fab forum :-) I am looking to buy a DP for my wife to learn piano, I may even have a go myself. She has always wanted to learn but has always wanted a proper upright piano. That's not going to work due to space. So I want to buy a good DP with 88 keys that has great key action and speakers built in. Although I could attach to external speakers, built in will be more convenient.

I have narrowed it down, I think, thanks to endless reading on this great sight. Either the Kawai ES-110, Roland FP-30 or the Yamaha DGX-660.
Although I am open to suggestion within my budget of up to £700 ish I would prefer to spend less if I can lol.

One key consideration which I am really hoping someone can advise on, is the ability for the DP to have some kind of way to teach the piano. This ability is going to be crucial unless someone can suggest something different. I think the DGX-660 might do as it has a screen although I do not know to what extent it can help. So another option is the ability to plug a tablet or laptop in that has software that will work in unison with the DP.

I have tried to answer all this myself but I am struggling. I have found info to a greater or lesser extent but some info seems quite old. I would greatly appreciate it if someone can advise or point me in the right direction.

Thanks in advance, Badger

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Badger1966 #3037942 10/21/20 08:51 AM
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I like to point out that a console digital piano is not much smaller than an upright.

1. Height doesn't really matter.

2. The width is dictated by the 88 keys. Full-size uprights are just a couple of inches wider than a digital. Not much difference.

3. The depth of an upright is generally a bit greater than that of a digital. That's the only difference that really matters.
But if your wife really wants an upright, is the piano depth stopping you?

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Listen to your wife. Women know better wink


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Well it's the need to be able to store it when not in use. So the ES-110 or Roland FP-30 would suit using something like a double braced keyboard stand. The DGX-660 may be a pain on that front unless it easily removes from it's stand or maybe use it with braced keyboard stand if possible. Or put any of them on the dining room table if that would be ok?

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I would suggest that a digital piano with "bluetooth" technology would be convenient for getting help with learning things through a connection to the internet.

I am a member of instructional websites and can view and listen through my headphones with my IpadMini sitting on my music stand. That way you do not have to have the whole household listening as you practice.


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Originally Posted by Badger1966
Well it's the need to be able to store it when not in use....

I would forget that.

First of all that "double braced stand" is probably going to be a bit unstable and bounce when you play which is irritating and second, if you have to put it up and down each time you practice .... the result will be less practicing.


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Originally Posted by Beowulf
Listen to your wife. Women know better wink
They may know better, but I have to be practical and make it useable in our house :-)

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Originally Posted by Badger1966
Well it's the need to be able to store it when not in use....

I would forget that.

First of all that "double braced stand" is probably going to be a bit unstable and bounce when you play which is irritating and second, if you have to put it up and down each time you practice .... the result will be less practicing.
I should have known this wasn't going to be easy. I certainly get the point about the stand. So my only other option would be to use the very sturdy dining room table. We just don't have the wall space to keep it in place permanently. Or ditch the dining room table and use that wall, although I don't think that will go down well LOL. So I think I need to find something good, with Bluetooth capability that's portable with upward firing speakers.

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Originally Posted by Badger1966
Well it's the need to be able to store it when not in use.

Then it probably won't be played. Sounds like too much hassle.

"Should I play the piano? Oh, no. It's tucked away in the closet. I'll binge Netflix instead."

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Originally Posted by Badger1966
Well it's the need to be able to store it when not in use.

Then it probably won't be played. Sounds like too much hassle.

"Should I play the piano? Oh, no. It's tucked away in the closet. I'll binge Netflix instead."
British sarcasm at it's finest from Finland. Well I am going to make it work some how. And I have managed to work out some space I think, 1300mm. Could work I think.

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Around 1300 mm is the width of a Kawai ES-110 for example. There may be narrower models and many are wider.

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Originally Posted by Badger1966
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Originally Posted by Badger1966
Well it's the need to be able to store it when not in use.

Then it probably won't be played. Sounds like too much hassle.

"Should I play the piano? Oh, no. It's tucked away in the closet. I'll binge Netflix instead."
British sarcasm at it's finest from Finland. Well I am going to make it work some how. And I have managed to work out some space I think, 1300mm. Could work I think.


Well .... good luck to you


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dmd was alluding to this earlier ... and I'm doubling and tripling it: Either the piano is there ready to play, or it's not.

If the piano doesn't have a permanent place in the room ... then don't get a piano.
First get more room. Then buy a piano.

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So FP30 and ES110 are 1300mm ish. Does anyone have a preference? Or know of a better DP under £700 ish at that width?

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You might try looking at the Yamaha, Casio, Kawai, and Roland web sites.

They show every style and every model piano. They offer full specs (including dimensions and weight). And they have the user manuals for viewing or download.

For a unit measuring no more than 1300 mm I'm guessing you'll have to choose a keyboard.
IIRS ... the console pianos are all wider than that.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
dmd was alluding to this earlier ... and I'm doubling and tripling it: Either the piano is there ready to play, or it's not.

If the piano doesn't have a permanent place in the room ... then don't get a piano.
First get more room. Then buy a piano.
Yep, going with something with a proper stand :-) can only be 1300mm ish though. Open to suggestions other than the FP30 or ES110. I seem to be drawn to the FP30 for some reason.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
You might try looking at the Yamaha, Casio, Kawai, and Roland web sites.

They show every style and every model piano. They offer full specs (including dimensions and weight). And they have the user manuals for viewing or download.

For a unit measuring no more than 1300 mm I'm guessing you'll have to choose a keyboard.
IIRS ... the console pianos are all wider than that.
Yes, going to have to be a keyboard. But as a newbie that does not know any where near enough about specs, I can only go on reviews which is why I thought the FP30 or ES110 would be good. I am open to suggestion on any DP. I can then look at dimensions and reviews. Thanks.

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Don't know if you're handy at all, but here are some creative ideas for piano storage:
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/250935010457730159/

There is also a thread called Show Us Your Piano Room in the Adult Beginners Forum where others who are short on space have cleverly carved out a niche for a keyboard. Maybe you'll get some good ideas there.

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Originally Posted by Badger1966
. . (a) The DGX-660 may be a pain on that front unless it easily removes from it's stand or maybe use it with braced keyboard stand if possible. Or put any of them on the dining room table if that would be ok?


(a) I'm pretty sure that the 'furniture stand' for the DGX-660 is an accessory. The basic DP is a "slab piano", not a "console piano". It'll work fine, on a "double-braced" X-stand.

(b) Usually, putting a DP on a dining-room table puts the keys up too high. Then, a standard-height chair put under the table, results in bad angles of the shoulders and/or elbows and/or wrists.

. . . and that can lead to pains and injuries, long-term.

You're better-off using an X-stand.

(c) (advice you didn't ask for) I suggest using a live teacher, if possible, at least for basic instruction. It's hard for a piece of software to see what a student is doing wrong.

It's really important to get your wife's buy-in, substituting a DP for an upright acoustic. The choice of instrument is very personal, and I'd suggest getting her involved in the purchase as soon as possible.

This is a common situation, here -- the most common form is:

. . . "I want to buy my spouse a digital piano as a surprise."

IMHO, it's better to spend more money than you want to, and/or crowd the house, rather than having a spouse who quietly rejects his/her spouse's choice of instrument.

Any of your candidates is a good choice, for a starting (beginner-to-intermediate) DP.


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Originally Posted by No Expectations
Don't know if you're handy at all, but here are some creative ideas for piano storage:
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/250935010457730159/

There is also a thread called Show Us Your Piano Room in the Adult Beginners Forum where others who are short on space have cleverly carved out a niche for a keyboard. Maybe you'll get some good ideas there.
Thank yo very much, I will indeed check it out.

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