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32 Or 80 Ohm for DP headphones (Kawai CN29)
#3037772 10/20/20 02:19 PM
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Hi,

I recently bought a Kawai CN29 and receives some cheap 32 ohm closed headphones with it.
I would like to upgrade those to a better set around 100eur... I wonder if I need to stick to 32 ohm or if I can go higher. Today I need to push volume of the piano to the maximum.
Any advice of particular headphones would be greatly appreciated too!

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Re: 32 Or 80 Ohm for DP headphones (Kawai CN29)
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Hi

I fairly recently bought a Kawai KDP110 - a model or two down from your CN29 - and that works perfectly with my 250 ohm Beyerdynamic DT770 headphones which sell for around the price that you're looking to pay.

Initially I did wonder if 250 ohm headphones would be loud enough, but the perceived volume on a 50% volume setting from the headphones is very similar to the perceived volume on a 50% volume setting from the built-in speakers. I cannot imagine anyone wanting the volume setting much higher than 50% when using these particular headphones.

Sound quality and comfort of the DT770's is very good too.

Re: 32 Or 80 Ohm for DP headphones (Kawai CN29)
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I second Steve. I also have the same Beyerdynamic model and have the exact same experience regarding volume, sound quality and comfort (I never get tired when wearing those headphones, they sit very comfortably)


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Re: 32 Or 80 Ohm for DP headphones (Kawai CN29)
AndresVel #3037810 10/20/20 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by AndresVel
I second Steve. I also have the same Beyerdynamic model and have the exact same experience regarding volume, sound quality and comfort (I never get tired when wearing those headphones, they sit very comfortably)

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Re: 32 Or 80 Ohm for DP headphones (Kawai CN29)
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Hi slider and congratulations to your new piano!

If you like Beyerdynamic, may I suggest to try the DT250, a model that doesn't seem to be that common here on PW. They are actually made for broadcasting but they are really great for piano playing. I have both the DT770 pro and the DT250 and they are both very good. The soundstage is wider in the DT770 so they can feel a little more relaxing but I actually prefer the tonal quality of the DT250 which is more linear with a very expressive midrange. Both are 80 ohm but the DT250 are easier to drive.

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Re: 32 Or 80 Ohm for DP headphones (Kawai CN29)
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Thanks for your tips. This forum does indeed seem to favour Beyer Dynamic. I’m inclined to look at those.

As for the CN29, I love it! I discovered yesterday you can set the piano for particular headphones (open, closed, in ear,...). That changed the feel quite a bit for the better, even with my current ones.

I first started playing on a 30 year old Roland keyboard in June and then got the Kawai in August. Got a teacher in September... my teacher made the remark that I was going too soft on the piano... (Yamaha Grand at the school, not sure which model) which was probably due to using the Kawai in grand piano and at high volume when no headphones. So I currently set it to upright and heavy touch from time to time to train to play harder... It made a difference a week after the teacher’s remarks.

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No, this forum does not favor Beyers. Those are not frequently mentioned. This thread is a rare anomaly.
Originally Posted by xlider
This forum does indeed seem to favour Beyer Dynamic.
But does it matter? A person need only be concerned with what he, himself favors.

Take the opinions of others as suggestions on what to try.
Your ears will tell you what to buy.

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Be very careful with higher volumes else you destroy your hearing. There are special IEMs that can be customized to your ears that block outside sounds and can be used at low volumes.

I doubt Kawai publishes detailed specs about the headphone amp on your CN29. Maybe assume it is just average in everything. The "detailed" specs by Beyerdynamic, or any other audio company, are not very helpful. There is some fuzzy science matching amps and headphones. So just assume there is nothing perfect. In your shoes, I would just assume the 32 & 80 ohm rating headphones will not be so different.

All else equal, a headphone with a higher sensitivity rating could be louder but the measurements are not reliable so that doesn't help too much lol. Only way to know is to try.

You also have the option to buy a dedicated headphone amplifier. With more power, switchable impedance, better quality electronics.

Beyerdynamic has some clues on what the different ohm ratings mean.

https://support.beyerdynamic.com/hc/en-us/articles/201058791-What-do-impedance-and-ohms-mean-

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://support.beyerdynamic.com/hc/de/articles/202502561-F%25C3%25BCr-welche-Anwendung-sollte-man-welche-Impedanz-Variante-des-DT-770-PRO-w%25C3%25A4hlen-&prev=search&pto=aue

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/beyerdynamic-dt990-600-ohm-250-ohm-or-32ohm.490997/

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Well... After your comments, I went down to check if everything was set correctly with the current 32 Ohms... It appears that the volume setting on the HP cable has been modified, explaining why I had a rather low level of sound, even with the CN29 pushed to the max...

With this being fixed, I now have indeed quite similar volumes in the headphones than without when sitting at the piano. So the piano should be quite able to drive a 80 Ohm HP. Not sure to go for higher though, as an external amp is not really something I want to invest in for now.

Will try to find a shop where I can either test or return. Thanks for the tips!

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Another BD answer says the 80 Ohm versions are made for higher-volume listening
https://support.beyerdynamic.com/hc/en-us/articles/202503041-Which-DT-770-for-which-source-


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