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#3036926 10/18/20 09:26 AM
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Hi we have a couple of clavinovas from the 1990's, which have a floppy disk drive.
i'm looking to transfer the songs recorded on disk, to my pc, and then to dvd.
would an external floppy drive be capable of doing this?
i've bought several card readers, and they don't work properly.


Any advice appreciated.

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According to the CLP-170, the records are saved in the floppy as standard MIDI files. I suppose your Clavinova to be standard too.

Beware, the MIDI file will only contain which notes you have played, but not the sound itself. If you have a CFIII-S sampled Clavinova and play your MIDI file on a newer, the CFIII-S piano will be replaced by a CFX. If you play it on a PC without virtual piano, you will have the default Windows piano sound much like a toy piano.

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I have an external 3.5" USB floppy drive. Seems like it only reads HD diskettes (1.44MB) , but not DD diskettes (720kB).

But I might be wrong and your mileage may vary and maybe a 90's Clavinova uses 1.44MB diskettes anyway.

Then of course one question is, how are the diskettes formatted? Regular PC format? Some odd Clavinova format? The User's Manual might talk about diskettes and if they talk about reading/writing/formatting it on a PC, then there should be no problem in that regard anyway.

I would just get a floppy drive and try.

And like said above, you'll need something to "render" the MIDI into actual audio.

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Going out on a limb here, but do these Clavinovas have MIDI output ports on them perchance?

If so, then simply play these recordings on the Clavinova and record the output via MIDI cable.

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thanks very much for the replies..
It's an old cvp 94, still works perfectly. I should have mentioned that the floppy discs are called micro floppy disks, and have 2hd on the box.
the cardreaders i tried gave that exact problem of sounding like a toy, nothing like the original recording.
i've bought an external writer, and also a midi to usb lead, made by Roland.
The cvp 94 does have midi capability, i plug a yamaha WX5 into it, to play like a saxophone.
Unfortunately, i am not good with technology, but hopefully these 2 options may allow me to transfer the disks.

Thanks again.

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Originally Posted by bobby89
The cvp 94 does have midi capability, i plug a yamaha WX5 into it, to play like a saxophone.
You can purchase a MIDI to USB adapter for about USD $1 - if you sign up they give you a USD $3 voucher (no minimum spend):

https://a.aliexpress.com/_mtWqCHX

Allow 3 weeks for delivery.

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Cheap MIDI-USB adapters can be unreliable and alter the exchanged data. Some even cut the price by omitting the opto-isolator which is mandatory according to the MIDI spec.

Read https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=5069

I would prefer to buy a 30$ adapter (M-Audio typically), than risking to lose my time with a cheap one.

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Originally Posted by Frédéric L
Cheap MIDI-USB adapters can be unreliable and alter the exchanged data. Some even cut the price by omitting the opto-isolator which is mandatory according to the MIDI spec.

Read https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=5069

I would prefer to buy a 30$ adapter (M-Audio typically), than risking to lose my time with a cheap one.
Upon re-reading, it looks like they already have a Roland MIDI-USB cable. That should work fine.


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Originally Posted by bobby89
the cardreaders i tried gave that exact problem of sounding like a toy, nothing like the original recording.

What exactly have you done with the card readers? Anything related to the Clavinova?

Yes, if it's MIDI then it's not audio and what it sounds like depends on what it is played with.

MIDI is much like those old paper piano rolls with holes punched in where the notes are. So, what it sounds like depends on what kind of a "player piano"/"self-playing piano" you play the piano roll with.

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Yes, the ideal thing needed to play a piano MIDI file is a well tuned CFX Disklavier or a Bösendorfer Imperial CEUS.

If you are not rich enough (or your house too small), Garritan CFX with a DAW (Cakewalk by BandLab) can render a piano MIDI file nicely. There are plenty of other virtual pianos.

To give you some hint, the integrated MIDI player of Windows uses 3MB for 256 instruments. Garritan CFX use 123000MB for a single instrument (7 sound recordings). Surely, the quality is different.

Whatever what you use, you won’t render the MIDI file as the original piano did, excepted with the same or equivalent model. (A CFX is different from a CFIIIS)

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That's a rather stark comparison. It puts things in perspective ...
Originally Posted by Frédéric L
The integrated MIDI player of Windows uses 3 MB for 256 instruments.
Garritan CFX use 123,000 MB for a single instrument.

A bit of understatement? smile
Originally Posted by Frédéric
Surely, the quality is different.

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Bobby if you can play it on the computer but it sounds like a toy, that means you successfully transferred the midi file. No adapter or reader is going to improve that.

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Originally Posted by bobby89
Hi we have a couple of clavinovas from the 1990's, which have a floppy disk drive.
i'm looking to transfer the songs recorded on disk, to my pc, and then to dvd.
would an external floppy drive be capable of doing this?
i've bought several card readers, and they don't work properly.


Any advice appreciated.

You've got a couple of issues:
1) New PC's might not have drivers for old Disk drivers, so you might need an older computer with an older Operating System

2) Be aware if you copy files from the floppy drive to a windows folder (prior to copying to USB to transfer to a new CLP or CVP model), to show hidden files in windows explorer. Otherwise, if there are any hidden files on the floppy disc, you might not copy them over.

3) PC's cannot read Yamaha disk clavier files. If you can download any Yamaha software that can do it, you might be able to tranfer to another file format, or else you can send a line out from your Old Clavinova to a DAC to convert the audio to digital.

Why do you want them transferred to dVD?
Just transfer to .wav or .mp3 (or Flac) and modern CLP's can play them.

This maybe of usehttps://www.midiplayertools.com/musicsoftware.htm

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