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Re: Ludovico Einaudi ???
Pianoworldstage #3036321 10/16/20 12:54 PM
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Okay, so there's the "we". :-) And now what?


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Okay, so there's the "we". :-) And now what?
Now, we (the royal 'we' - or not) leave Einaudi to his fans in ABF, and we go back to our favorite Xenakis and Stockhausen (= contemporary classical music) smirk :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fOz84YItXQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny8ZXXRBIns

Or maybe this might tickle our tastebuds better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mcfy3UmnyDY whistle

Incidentally, Einaudi studied with Berio, so let's hear Luciano out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiRgEFotRxM


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Einaudi is a trashy composer with hooked-up parents/ legacy.

He's in the same class as Richard Clayderman, but even more trite and crass.

These hacks write stuff barely on par with anime music.

Einaudi is junk food, and the fact that we even talk about him is too good for him.

Thanks for your honest comment Jeffcat, my sentiments exactly.


Einaudi is to Music what Guy Fieri is to Cooking.

You hold bread in one hand and a stick of butter in the other, bite into them at the same time. That's about as DEEP as Einaudi Fieri gets.

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I find Einaudi's music incredibly boring. I had never heard of him until I saw the Einaudi thread in the ABF. I'm no fan of Philip Glass, either, or, really, any of the minimalists. (Except Arvo Pärt, go figure.) I'm no fan of Taylor Swift, for that matter. Five-note melodies. A singing voice void of expression. An obsession with "he done me wrong" lyrics. Yawn! But it's all just my personal preference. People can like what they like.


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People should be able to like what they like without having their tastes insulted. Saying one doesn't like a certain kind of music or composer is fine, but IMO saying that music or composer is trash is arrogant.

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
People should be able to like what they like without having their tastes insulted. Saying one doesn't like a certain kind of music or composer is fine, but IMO saying that music or composer is trash is arrogant.

This, exactly!

Unfortunately, this thread has become pretty mean-spirited (in particular, posts by the OP and jeffcat).

And for what? What is the point of being so unkind? The OP has not said what his purpose is in starting this thread in the first case, and I fail to see how it serves any purpose, other than to spread negativity and to try to make people feel bad (if they should *gasp* like Einaudi).


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Originally Posted by jeffcat
Originally Posted by Pianoworldstage
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Einaudi is a trashy composer with hooked-up parents/ legacy.

He's in the same class as Richard Clayderman, but even more trite and crass.

These hacks write stuff barely on par with anime music.

Einaudi is junk food, and the fact that we even talk about him is too good for him.

Thanks for your honest comment Jeffcat, my sentiments exactly.


Einaudi is to Music what Guy Fieri is to Cooking.

You hold bread in one hand and a stick of butter in the other, bite into them at the same time. That's about as DEEP as Einaudi Fieri gets.

It’s great you provided an analogy to explain how you feel. I’m sure it wasn’t clearly understood from your first post: ‘trashy composer’, ‘junk food’ just weren’t negative enough.


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I find Einaudi's music incredibly boring. I had never heard of him until I saw the Einaudi thread in the ABF. I'm no fan of Philip Glass, either, or, really, any of the minimalists. (Except Arvo Pärt, go figure.) I'm no fan of Taylor Swift, for that matter. Five-note melodies. A singing voice void of expression. An obsession with "he done me wrong" lyrics. Yawn! But it's all just my personal preference. People can like what they like.

Well said AaronSF.

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His family is loaded in money. His parents were publishers. So when he decided to go into music he had all the help money can buy. If that was not the case, he would have never become anything. There are thousands of people creating much more intetesting music, and nobody knows about them, because they are not artificially skyrocketed towards fame as Einaudi has been.

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Originally Posted by Ubu
His family is loaded in money. His parents were publishers. So when he decided to go into music he had all the help money can buy. If that was not the case, he would have never become anything. There are thousands of people creating much more intetesting music, and nobody knows about them, because they are not artificially skyrocketed towards fame as Einaudi has been.
Based at least on the popularity of Einaudi's music on the Adult Beginner's Forum, your comments about him getting help as the reason for his popularity don't seem correct. His music seems very popular, and I don't see how his family's money could make other people like his music. But even if your comment is true, I find it mean spirited.

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His family is loaded in money. His parents were publishers. So when he decided to go into music he had all the help money can buy. If that was not the case, he would have never become anything. There are thousands of people creating much more intetesting music, and nobody knows about them, because they are not artificially skyrocketed towards fame as Einaudi has been.
Based at least on the popularity of Einaudi's music on the Adult Beginner's Forum, your comments about him getting help as the reason for his popularity don't seem correct. His music seems very popular, and I don't see how his family's money could make other people like his music. But even if your comment is true, I find it mean spirited.


Being from a poweful family gives you and easy way into concert halls, media coverage, music labels and so on. For many unknown musicians just to get mentioned on a newspaper radio or tv show is a great battle. Einaudi didn't have to struggle at all for that. Everyone wanted to please him and his family because they are powerful. Once his music starts to sound on the media, there will be lots of people liking it, because music is an acquired taste. No mean spirited at all. On the contrary, i would like that all the attention his non existing talent is receiving, was shared around those who really have talent and fight bravely to get somewhere while no one helps them.

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Life is not fair, isn't it ? Having access more easily to media is a help, but you still need to find an audience. Like actors who are the son or daughter of a famous parent get more easily into the business, but if their acting is poor, they wont make a carreer. I guess the music of Einaudi has an audience. Whether he will be remembered as a great composer, we will see much later. After all, at the time of Chopin, there were many composers quite famous in their time and much appreciated, that no one even remembers nowadays.

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People should be able to like what they like without having their tastes insulted. Saying one doesn't like a certain kind of music or composer is fine, but IMO saying that music or composer is trash is arrogant.

This, exactly!

Unfortunately, this thread has become pretty mean-spirited (in particular, posts by the OP and jeffcat).

And for what? What is the point of being so unkind? The OP has not said what his purpose is in starting this thread in the first case, and I fail to see how it serves any purpose, other than to spread negativity and to try to make people feel bad (if they should *gasp* like Einaudi).

Letting bad music play, infusing bad music with softcore pornography, selling that to children. It all spirals downwards.

This all begins at the deviation from musical excellence, and the worship of mediocrity.

Einaudi isn't the lowest form of music, but he is one of snowflakes which set off the avalanche of musicians racing towards the bottom. He is the micro-tumor that starts the cancer, and Pop-music is the Metastasis.

In a free society, We agree everyone has the right to like what they like. But we ALSO agree that everyone has the right to judge one another for not aiming higher.

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His family is loaded in money. His parents were publishers. So when he decided to go into music he had all the help money can buy. If that was not the case, he would have never become anything. There are thousands of people creating much more intetesting music, and nobody knows about them, because they are not artificially skyrocketed towards fame as Einaudi has been.
Based at least on the popularity of Einaudi's music on the Adult Beginner's Forum, your comments about him getting help as the reason for his popularity don't seem correct. His music seems very popular, and I don't see how his family's money could make other people like his music. But even if your comment is true, I find it mean spirited.


Being from a poweful family gives you and easy way into concert halls, media coverage, music labels and so on. For many unknown musicians just to get mentioned on a newspaper radio or tv show is a great battle. Einaudi didn't have to struggle at all for that. Everyone wanted to please him and his family because they are powerful. Once his music starts to sound on the media, there will be lots of people liking it, because music is an acquired taste. No mean spirited at all. On the contrary, i would like that all the attention his non existing talent is receiving, was shared around those who really have talent and fight bravely to get somewhere while no one helps them.
Just having music played a lot doesn't make people like it. Are you aware of his conservatory studies, scores for many movies, music awards, and lots of other musical projects? Einaudi's music encompasses at lot more than his solo piano music. I don't have any interest in his music and have heard maybe a minute's worth of it but many people seem to like it a lot. Saying his talent is "non existent" is mean spirited IMO.

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Just having music played a lot doesn't make people like it. Are you aware of his conservatory studies, scores for many movies, music awards, and lots of other musical projects? Einaudi's music encompasses at lot more than his solo piano music. I don't have any interest in his music and have heard maybe a minute's worth of it but many people seem to like it a lot. Saying his talent is "non existent" is mean spirited IMO.
This.
Also what Sidokar said: Coming from an influential family may help you to get on top; but to stay on top, you have to deliver yourself.
Or to use another metaphor: Coming from a powerful background may open a few doors; but you have to walk through these doors yourself.

Einaudi's music is popular and successful. And not because of his background. It's because of the music he makes. He obviously has the talent and ability to create music that resonates with his audience.
Further evidence for this is that he is not the only one in that genre being successful. Take Yann Tiersen. He wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth; and yet he also became a very successful and popular composer. And I have a hard time telling Tiersen's and Einaudi's music apart.

In popular culture, there are also examples for people who get on top thanks to an influential or rich family; but don't stay there. One example I can think of is Stephanie of Monaco. She had a few hits in the 1980s, undoubtedly also because of her name; but she didn't stay in the top charts. My guess is because her musical abilities were lacking.
Einaudi managed 63 successful albums in classical charts and plays in sold-out concert halls (unless there are lockdowns because of too much Mexican beer...). So clearly it's not because of his family, it's because of him.

And when other people talk badly about a composer; calling music "bad" or something, then what I usually think about those nay-sayers is: They are just jealous.

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Letting bad music play, infusing bad music with softcore pornography, selling that to children. It all spirals downwards.

What on earth are you talking about? You must have Einaudi confused with someone else??


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Einaudi isn't the lowest form of music, but he is one of snowflakes which set off the avalanche of musicians racing towards the bottom. He is the micro-tumor that starts the cancer, and Pop-music is the Metastasis.

Einaudi didn't "set off" anything. He's predated by George Winston, Michael Nyman and Philip Glass.

Also, I hope you're enjoying your metaphors, but if you may as well give up ranting against pop music, that ship has sailed. It's here to stay. And good grief, it's no more a "cancer" than are chocolate chip cookies or pizza....

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In a free society, We agree everyone has the right to like what they like. But we ALSO agree that everyone has the right to judge one another for not aiming higher.

I'm not sure I can agree with the second part of your statement here. Judging other people for what they like (and believing that you are the one who gets to decide what counts as "aiming higher" or not) is a slippery slope into prejudice and discrimination.

Although, I suspect you may have already fallen down that slope, at least based on your comments in this thread.


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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Saying his talent is "non existent" is mean spirited IMO.

Again, I agree with this take, and I find it troubling that some people in this thread don't seem to realize how unkind and mean-spirited they are being.


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Einaudi's music is popular and successful. And not because of his background. It's because of the music he makes. He obviously has the talent and ability to create music that resonates with his audience.
Further evidence for this is that he is not the only one in that genre being successful. Take Yann Tiersen. He wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth; and yet he also became a very successful and popular composer. And I have a hard time telling Tiersen's and Einaudi's music apart.
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Einaudi managed 63 successful albums in classical charts and plays in sold-out concert halls (unless there are lockdowns because of too much Mexican beer...). So clearly it's not because of his family, it's because of him.

And when other people talk badly about a composer; calling music "bad" or something, then what I usually think about those nay-sayers is: They are just jealous.

Yes to all of these comments (ok, and the part I cut out, I forgot about Yann Tiersen, but he's another good comparison!)

I think it's just silly to say that Einaudi doesn't have talent or has gotten where he is because of his family connections. Again, whether someone likes his music or not is a separate question, but you don't have a 40 year career with an incredible amount of output in a variety for forms (i.e., solo music, orchestral film scores etc.) just on the basis of coming from a wealthy and privileged family. As Pat says here, it's very hard to think that there is something else motivating the naysayers beyond jealousy.

My original question has never been answered. To the OP (Pianoworldstage), again, what is it you hope to get out of this thread? And to you and jeffcat, why are you unable to "live and let live"?

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His family is loaded in money. His parents were publishers. So when he decided to go into music he had all the help money can buy. If that was not the case, he would have never become anything. There are thousands of people creating much more intetesting music, and nobody knows about them, because they are not artificially skyrocketed towards fame as Einaudi has been.

Well said Ubu.

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His music seems very popular, and I don't see how his family's money could make other people like his music. But even if your comment is true, I find it mean spirited.

Conscientious objections are welcome, but that's just your opinion, Ubu is right.

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His family is loaded in money. His parents were publishers. So when he decided to go into music he had all the help money can buy. If that was not the case, he would have never become anything. There are thousands of people creating much more intetesting music, and nobody knows about them, because they are not artificially skyrocketed towards fame as Einaudi has been.
Based at least on the popularity of Einaudi's music on the Adult Beginner's Forum, your comments about him getting help as the reason for his popularity don't seem correct. His music seems very popular, and I don't see how his family's money could make other people like his music. But even if your comment is true, I find it mean spirited.


Being from a poweful family gives you and easy way into concert halls, media coverage, music labels and so on. For many unknown musicians just to get mentioned on a newspaper radio or tv show is a great battle. Einaudi didn't have to struggle at all for that. Everyone wanted to please him and his family because they are powerful. Once his music starts to sound on the media, there will be lots of people liking it, because music is an acquired taste. No mean spirited at all. On the contrary, i would like that all the attention his non existing talent is receiving, was shared around those who really have talent and fight bravely to get somewhere while no one helps them.

Well said Ubu.

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