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Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
9190 #3034717 10/12/20 06:59 AM
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Yes MacMacMac. You have expressed my thoughts very succinctly. The CLP 775 in polished ebony is currently available at a range of discounted prices in the UK, the best being around £3,300, so I am confident that nobody with more than one brain cell will pay an additional £2,650 to upgrade to the 785.
I just have to be patient and wait for a more widespread availability on the CLP 785 here in the UK.

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9190 #3034736 10/12/20 08:32 AM
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I don't know whether this is old news, but there are sound samples available for the CLP 775 from Bauer Music in Germany:

CLP-775 sound samples


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Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
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Originally Posted by JackQ89
How long is the keys on the CLP 745? and how long for the 775/785?
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I believe the 775/785 key length (to pivot point) remain the same as the 675/685, which is about 26 cm.
The 745 'feels like' about 22 cm (it's definitely in the 21 to 24 range) - I'll measure it when it arrives in a couple of months.
Definitely, NWX keys are shorter than GrandTouch-S ones.
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Great photos. But if I remember correctly from another thread, the official or almost official info from yamaha stated that grand touch S differs from NWX in the pivot length of the black keys only (they are now staggered and further back from the white's pivots).

Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
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Originally Posted by QuasiUnaFantasia
I don't know whether this is old news, but there are sound samples available for the CLP 775 from Bauer Music in Germany:

CLP-775 sound samples

I did not see this link before, thanks a lot! The bösendorfer sounds great.
For the CLP-735, CLP-745 they list the same set of sample songs - did they just copy/paste or are they really recorded on the respective models? They should sound the same, anyway, right...

Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
9190 #3035032 10/13/20 03:24 AM
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Don't be fooled by a recording. They always sound good.

Wait until you try the piano for yourself. Then you can make a proper judgement.

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Couldn't agree more... That's is the reason why I think recordings made with a microphone are much more helpful for comparing how an instrument performs in a real environment. Even if the microphone is not the best, it can still reproduce the quality of the speaker system comparatively well - in contrast to listening to line out recordings, which makes comparisons basically meaningless.

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Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
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Spoke to my retailer yesterday and she's confirmed my CLP-785 is now on the boat having left Indonesia. :-)

Originally the plan was for late October, however now looking early November. She stated (having spoken with Yamaha Australia) the delay was caused by port authority issues in Australia. Needed things signed off etc. Who knows. At least I know it's on it's way now.

Take care everyone.
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Kammerklang #3035365 10/13/20 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Kammerklang
Couldn't agree more... That's is the reason why I think recordings made with a microphone are much more helpful for comparing how an instrument performs in a real environment. Even if the microphone is not the best, it can still reproduce the quality of the speaker system comparatively well - in contrast to listening to line out recordings, which makes comparisons basically meaningless.

I don't know if this is something you're looking for, but there's a YouTube video of a 785 recorded on a cell phone (looks like a Galaxy Fold). Maybe this provides better insight into the sound?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RsmHqLiaAQ

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Originally Posted by foxy.au
Spoke to my retailer yesterday and she's confirmed my CLP-785 is now on the boat having left Indonesia. :-)

Originally the plan was for late October, however now looking early November. She stated (having spoken with Yamaha Australia) the delay was caused by port authority issues in Australia. Needed things signed off etc. Who knows. At least I know it's on it's way now.

Take care everyone.
Foxy.

Niiiiice! Still no clue when mine arrives, but I'm hoping for about the same timeframe as you. I'm waiting on deals for an iPad Pro 12.9" or Samsung Galaxy Tab S7+ on Black Friday deals later in November here in the US to pair up with it. So I'm not too upset for the wait as it'll all come together nicely.

Keep us updated!

Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
GreatShowmanChopin #3035658 10/14/20 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by GreatShowmanChopin
Niiiiice! Still no clue when mine arrives, but I'm hoping for about the same timeframe as you. I'm waiting on deals for an iPad Pro 12.9" or Samsung Galaxy Tab S7+ on Black Friday deals later in November here in the US to pair up with it. So I'm not too upset for the wait as it'll all come together nicely.

Keep us updated!

Thanks bud! The wait is testing my patience! hahaha - All good though - It will come when it comes!

Good luck on the iPad pro or Galaxy - I've got a 3rd year iPad pro myself - works pretty well!

Ahhh. I was just going to ask you, where you're located - but you've stated you're in the USA - good stuff! Keep safe there mate.

Ok, back to practicing on the midi keyboard! ;-)


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foxy.au #3035849 10/15/20 09:15 AM
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Maybe another video will help tide you over?

https://youtu.be/yn0Q2ntLrik

Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
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I was at a music store today (it's my b-day and I bought myself a Behringer Model D 🎁🎹🎵🕺🏻) and tested briefly the CLP-745 and CLP-735, also comparing them with a CLP-645. I have to go celebrate with my wife, so very briefly:

- The awkward initial resistance of the keys that can be felt on the 645 is really eliminated on the 745. Other than that they feel very similar.
- Nevertheless, the keyboard felt a bit odd to me on first playing, after having played my N1X and Cybrid for so long: I immediately felt the keys pushing against my fingers all the time, almost like a spring, which is typical for digital piano actions, and so take it with a grain of salt, since I haven't compared it against other digital pianos but I didn't like it. It made me skip some pianissimo notes. I guess I can easily get used to it. But it's an impression.
- And here's the surprise: the 735 felt better to me and that constant back pressure to my fingers was lighter than on the 745. On the 745 I felt like fighting with the heavy keyboard pushing against my fingers, whereas the 735 was lighter and somehow more realistic and easier to play. The keys felt lighter and ultimately I liked it better.

Summary: After playing the N1X for so long, if I have to judge only by the very brief initial impressions, I would choose the 735.


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CyberGene #3035937 10/15/20 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
I was at a music store today (it's my b-day and I bought myself a Model D)

WHOA! Congrats Cybergene, that's absolutely amazing! You totally deserve what is probably the ultimate upgrade!

Originally Posted by CyberGene
I was at a music store today (it's my b-day and I bought myself a Behringer Model D 🎁🎹🎵🕺🏻)
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I bought myself a Behringer Model D
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Behringer Model D
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Behringer

Oh....I mean, that's not exactly the same as what I first read...but still, congrats smile


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Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
9190 #3035943 10/15/20 12:03 PM
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Offtopic: a real Minimoog D would cost me a fortune 😢 They are not even sold anymore. BTW, the Boog (as they call it) is fully analog clone and for around €250 sounds amazing. But yeah, the Behringer name is not something to mention 🤣


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I'll join you in an OT ban...but I was actually thinking about that other Model D.


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Originally Posted by Gombessa
I'll join you in an OT ban...but I was actually thinking about that other Model D.
Ohh! 😮 Well, the closest to THAT other Model D I can realistically achieve in this life is a VSL lib 🤣


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CyberGene you're not the only one in that boat. I was at the Steinway store in Hinsdale, IL last year and got to play one. Boy was it nice to play but if I ever came into that type of money I still wouldn't want the huge house to keep it in. I'm leaning the route of MacMacMac and leaning towards NV10 or N1X in a few years.


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Originally Posted by CyberGene
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I immediately felt the keys pushing against my fingers all the time, almost like a spring, (...) the 735 felt better to me and that constant back pressure to my fingers was lighter than on the 745. On the 745 I felt like fighting with the heavy keyboard pushing against my fingers, whereas the 735 was lighter and somehow more realistic and easier to play. The keys felt lighter and ultimately I liked it better..
This week, after spending some hours playing with acoustics in a music store, I had a similar impression with the GHS on my Yamaha P-121 and also on the springy action of a Roland GO:Piano.
This makes me wonder if the springy nature of these actions have a subtle but long term negative impact in the finger technique, as in an acoustic, after the initial resistance to overcome the inertia of the keys, the fingers expect a "relief" in pressure that I don't feel in these digital actions. Perhaps that "push" against the fingers generates unnecessary tension. Does this makes sense?

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Originally Posted by DPAfficionado
This makes me wonder if the springy nature of these actions have a subtle but long term negative impact in the finger technique, as in an acoustic, after the initial resistance to overcome the inertia of the keys, the fingers expect a "relief" in pressure that I don't feel in these digital actions. Perhaps that "push" against the fingers generates unnecessary tension. Does this makes sense?
Makes a lot of sense. I even created an (infamous?) thread regarding this 😀


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