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Re: Used F-80 vs Fp-30 which to buy today?
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Did you find the keys loud on the FP-80, that is really the only issue I have with it. I see in the specs, it may be possible to adjust it...

If you mean the digital 'hammer noise', yes that is adjustable on the FP-80.

If the actual (physical) keys are is too loud, the effect can be reduced IF the sound is being amplified/resinating due to placement of the instrument (for example, if the piano is placed directly on a wooden floor, that might make the physical key noise louder/travel downstairs - using a thick rug, with a thick rubber underlay under the piano stand will reduce this).


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Re: Used F-80 vs Fp-30 which to buy today?
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Did you find the keys loud on the FP-80, that is really the only issue I have with it. I see in the specs, it may be possible to adjust it...

If you mean the digital 'hammer noise', yes that is adjustable on the FP-80.

If the actual (physical) keys are is too loud, the effect can be reduced IF the sound is being amplified/resinating due to placement of the instrument (for example, if the piano is placed directly on a wooden floor, that might make the physical key noise louder/travel downstairs - using a thick rug, with a thick rubber underlay under the piano stand will reduce this).

Not sure what the digital hammer noise is, I think it is the physical keybed noise. On one hand I think the P80 gives me much more and perhaps is a good deal at that price, perhaps better starting simple, the action is a bit more difficult to play faster (and maybe to learn) on the FP30.

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Reading all the threads here about delays has got me thinking I got a good deal on my first piano:

I found someone selling their Roland FP30 locally (with Roland stand and on stage seat) for ... USD $400

I was on the fence for a few days, but then I went to my local GC and played a few Pianos.

Needless to say I promptly made arrangements and got the piano for said price , I met the guy at his storage locker and the poor thing was all dusty. Got some Clorox wipes on the keys and case and now its like a brand new FP30. The guy must not have thought to google prices I guess...

Very happy TBH , and still just on the Alfred book level 1 ... I can see compared to my (limited) experiences with pianos this will be a good friend into the future as I work on my skills

my only advice would be to jump on a good deal given the price/locality and get to work practicing - IMO finding out what to play is harder than deciding which piano

good luck

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Originally Posted by personne
I have a piano with PHA-III keyboard, it is noisy by design - it makes 'thum' sound every time I press the key.
But it is not super noisy to affect playing in the headphones, and I can even tolerate it playing without headphones.
I tried FP-80 in the past, and I liked it, it cost around CAD 2500 when new, but it is in a different league to its successor FP-90, and I cannot say how it stacks up against current entry level models such as FP-30.

That's said, what prevents you from buying a new P125 or FP30? Or ES-110? It looks like you have money for it?

Thank you, I was not crazy about the plastiky keys or sound as much on the P125 but easier to play than the FP30. The used FP30 is a great price and barely may still have a bit of warranty, the only advantage to new I suppose. I found the Es 110 a bit noisy as well, perhaps my technique.

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Originally Posted by Kayron
Not sure what the digital hammer noise is, I think it is the physical keybed noise. On one hand I think the P80 gives me much more and perhaps is a good deal at that price, perhaps better starting simple, the action is a bit more difficult to play faster (and maybe to learn) on the FP30.


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On an acoustic piano, you can hear a noise which is (someone correct me if I'm wrong) the noise/sound of hammers striking the strings. Depending on the piano/model/brand, it might be more or less noticeable.

On the FP-80, that recorded sound can be reduced/increased using the 'hammer noise' option in the menu - to allow people to adjust this to taste...

...but of course the physical keybed the FP-80 will make some noise too (which cannot be adjusted!).

As for playing faster - well, I've got to grade 3 so far (it would have been grade 4 next month, if I could actually continue with my lessons in this outbreak)... so far, I've not had to play anything 'fast' so it depends on what you're playing at the moment. 🤞

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Re: Used F-80 vs Fp-30 which to buy today?
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Originally Posted by jpindustrie
Reading all the threads here about delays has got me thinking I got a good deal on my first piano:

I found someone selling their Roland FP30 locally (with Roland stand and on stage seat) for ... USD $400

I was on the fence for a few days, but then I went to my local GC and played a few Pianos.

Needless to say I promptly made arrangements and got the piano for said price , I met the guy at his storage locker and the poor thing was all dusty. Got some Clorox wipes on the keys and case and now its like a brand new FP30. The guy must not have thought to google prices I guess...

Very happy TBH , and still just on the Alfred book level 1 ... I can see compared to my (limited) experiences with pianos this will be a good friend into the future as I work on my skills

my only advice would be to jump on a good deal given the price/locality and get to work practicing - IMO finding out what to play is harder than deciding which piano

good luck

That is a great deal! If it is the furniture stand that is $150 plus $1000 for the piano new here in Cad$. THey are both good deals, just not sure what I want now, the BIG FP80, more bells and whistles, easier to play, great speakers...BUT hammer noise and HUGE..so not as much portable and of course nearly twice the price

Re: Used F-80 vs Fp-30 which to buy today?
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My ex says it is not like guitars, don't go for old tech
The FP-30 is old tech. - it's a 2016 model. It will be superseded soon.

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Re: Used F-80 vs Fp-30 which to buy today?
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Well, it seems when you wait long enough the decision is made for you. The FP80 was sold ;-(. Seems it is not very hard to sell used pianos especially now. Music stores said their business has gone UP since COVID as people have more time.

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My ex says it is not like guitars, don't go for old tech
The FP-30 is old tech. - it's a 2016 model. It will be superseded soon.

The P125 is old tech too, is it not. Oh well, I lost out on the FP80. Well I think I may buy it for now, as long as it is in good condition and feels good, if not I will pass and keep looking, but I prefer to be playing, I was sad to not have it for the past 2 months and not got too caught up in the hunt and lost the reason for having a piano...to play and learn.

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I have a piano with PHA-III keyboard, it is noisy by design - it makes 'thum' sound every time I press the key.
But it is not super noisy to affect playing in the headphones, and I can even tolerate it playing without headphones.
I tried FP-80 in the past, and I liked it, it cost around CAD 2500 when new, but it is in a different league to its successor FP-90, and I cannot say how it stacks up against current entry level models such as FP-30.

That's said, what prevents you from buying a new P125 or FP30? Or ES-110? It looks like you have money for it?

What did you mean in a different league to its successor?

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The difference between an FP80 and an FP30 is like the difference between a 2015 Lexus and a 2020 Corolla. Sure, the 2020 will have a few more modern bells and whistles, but the 5 year old Lexus is still in another league overall, a luxury car, while the Corolla is still an economy car. Whether the FP80 is necessarily the best thing you could find used for $1200 may be debatable, but I'd say it's certainly well above any DP you could buy new for $600. With the one caveat that actions are always subjective to some extent, and there's always a chance you could just happen to dislike the feel of the FP80.

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The difference between an FP80 and an FP30 is like the difference between a 2015 Lexus and a 2020 Corolla.

Nice analogy!


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My ex says it is not like guitars, don't go for old tech
The FP-30 is old tech. - it's a 2016 model. It will be superseded soon.

The P125 is old tech too, is it not.
It was released mid-2018.
2 years newer than the FP-30.

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I loved the feeling of the keyboard on the fp50 much easier than the fp30 and some of the sounds, speakers far better but the keys are noisy even with headphones, he said it was always that way. Anyone familiar with that? I am not sure id get used to it.

I owned an FP-80 for 5 years - you will enjoy it more than the FP-30. The down side is in think the Roland piano app that supports the FP-80 only works with iOS, not Android. And even then I'm not sure if only old (ancient) versions of iOS support that app. You may also need the Netgear WiFi adapter - these are about $2-$3 from China (used - the new ones sell for about $80).
Since you have bought and sold so many pianos lately, I figured I would ask you rather than a new post, do you know anything about Viscount Galileo VP-91, I see one online for $500 Cad

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The difference between an FP80 and an FP30 is like the difference between a 2015 Lexus and a 2020 Corolla.
More like a 2018 Corolla :-p (the FP-30 is used)

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The difference between an FP80 and an FP30 is like the difference between a 2015 Lexus and a 2020 Corolla.
More like a 2018 Corolla :-p (the FP-30 is used)

It would have HELPED if you said that BEFORE I lost out on it. OUCH, that stings now that it is gone. Well I guess I will get the FP30 at least for now to play and keep shopping, they dont seem hard to sell.

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Originally Posted by anotherscott
The difference between an FP80 and an FP30 is like the difference between a 2015 Lexus and a 2020 Corolla. Sure, the 2020 will have a few more modern bells and whistles, but the 5 year old Lexus is still in another league overall, a luxury car, while the Corolla is still an economy car. Whether the FP80 is necessarily the best thing you could find used for $1200 may be debatable, but I'd say it's certainly well above any DP you could buy new for $600. With the one caveat that actions are always subjective to some extent, and there's always a chance you could just happen to dislike the feel of the FP80.

Man with all my posts, driving y'all nuts, it would have been great to hear this BEFORE I lost out on this deal. BTW I am in Canada so that $600 barely used FP30 is $1050 new, the FP80 was $1200 Cad and of course is discontinued. I loved the touch and it was easy to play but it was very noisy to play and I might have been too distracted with all the rhythms and sounds and things.

I think it is better to play something rather than nothing for now, so if it is in good shape I will buy the FP30 and keep looking. It would be great to know which used pianos are good at what price points for future reference. For example I see people still selling OLD P120, 140, 155 for $1k and more and they seem to go like hotcakes

Somebody had mentioned that the FP80 is not at all in the same class as its successor the FP90, I had asked what they meant about THAT.

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Somebody had mentioned that the FP80 is not at all in the same class as its successor the FP90, I had asked what they meant about THAT.
Well the sound is different - the FP-80 has Steinway samples, whereas the FP-90 uses modelling. They do sound different. Some (a lot of) people preferred the sampled sound.

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Somebody had mentioned that the FP80 is not at all in the same class as its successor the FP90, I had asked what they meant about THAT.
Well the sound is different - the FP-80 has Steinway samples, whereas the FP-90 uses modelling. They do sound different. Some (a lot of) people preferred the sampled sound.

How do you feel about older YP140, 155, even 120 seem to sell well, years later

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Somebody had mentioned that the FP80 is not at all in the same class as its successor the FP90, I had asked what they meant about THAT.
Well the sound is different - the FP-80 has Steinway samples, whereas the FP-90 uses modelling. They do sound different. Some (a lot of) people preferred the sampled sound.

I actually meant something different.

I have a premium console piano with the same technology as FP-80, but with a nice cabinet and fancy 6 speakers. And approximately the same age.

That and FP-90.

Modelled sound and PHA-50 keyboard offer quite significant improvement over Supernatural sound with 128 notes of polyphony and PHA-III keyboard:
- significantly more responsiveness from the modelled sound than from SN, better playability
- better feel
- improved fast repetitions
- better, longer sustain
- more resonances

The quality of the timbre imo is not that different between sampled SN and the modelled sound.

If you compare FP-80 to FP-90, also add a fancier design of FP-90 to all of the above, this is why I told FP-80 is in a different league to its successor FP-90, because Roland made a leap with this FP-90 model. In my opinion.


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