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Yamaha CLP 745 or Kawai CA 59 for Beginner
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As an adult beginner should I buy the Yamaha CLP 745 or the Kawai CA 59.
I preferred the sound of the Yamaha but the Kawai has solid wood keys, and I am not sure if the Yamaha has solid wood keys.
Both keyboards felt IMHO nice to play, although the Kawai seemed a bit "heavier".

So should I go with the Yamaha or the Kawai?

Thanks in advance!

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I had the same choice only a year ago, but with the earlier models; CA58 and clp645. my thoughts were the same as yours. The CLP pipped the post closely; I then bought the portable model P515 since I only utilise a small room.
The choice is a good one, and you can happily cogitate your choices knowing you can't really go wrong.
And once you get it delivered, it will grow on you further. Enjoy!

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Tinnkat,

I honestly don't think you could wrong with either. They are great instruments! Have you asked your dealer if they had any 645s still in stock. You might be able to get a real bargain in the process.

Enjoy your journey!

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Originally Posted by peterws
I had the same choice only a year ago, but with the earlier models; CA58 and clp645. my thoughts were the same as yours. The CLP pipped the post closely; I then bought the portable model P515 since I only utilise a small room.
The choice is a good one, and you can happily cogitate your choices knowing you can't really go wrong.
And once you get it delivered, it will grow on you further. Enjoy!

I also tend towards the Yamaha.


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Tinnkat,

I honestly don't think you could wrong with either. They are great instruments! Have you asked your dealer if they had any 645s still in stock. You might be able to get a real bargain in the process.

Enjoy your journey!

No, the 645 is out of stock.



Thank you very much for the answers.
So I do not need to be concerned about the keyboard of the Yamaha?

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Originally Posted by tinnkat
So I do not need to be concerned about the keyboard of the Yamaha?

What would the concern be?

It has less wood and more plastic than the Kawai.

They are just different approaches at simulating a grand piano action. Neither is a real one.

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IMHO you should check that the keys are not too much heavy to press when your fingers are more near the fallboard. From my personal experience I would buy the instrument less fatiguing to play near the fallboard, because many classical pieces require that and if you are an adult beginner like me, your untrained fingers will suffer very much on a keyboard much heavier near the fallboard.

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So I do not need to be concerned about the keyboard of the Yamaha?

It has less wood and more plastic than the Kawai.

That would be my concern. A real piano has full wooden keys so I guess it would feel more like a real piano? Or is this assumption wrong?

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Theoretically some company could come up with an awful digital piano action using wooden keys.

(Not Kawai. But maybe some company somewhere.)

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CLP 745 it's a nice balance between overall light touch, easy to play near fallboard, wooden keys, nice samples(very nice headphone experience), very acceptable sound system and..after all, price.

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You like both, so just take the one you like more.


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If it's difficult to choose then first eliminate the one you liked less.

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Originally Posted by tinnkat
Originally Posted by peterws
I had the same choice only a year ago, but with the earlier models; CA58 and clp645. my thoughts were the same as yours. The CLP pipped the post closely; I then bought the portable model P515 since I only utilise a small room.
The choice is a good one, and you can happily cogitate your choices knowing you can't really go wrong.
And once you get it delivered, it will grow on you further. Enjoy!

I also tend towards the Yamaha.


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Tinnkat,

I honestly don't think you could wrong with either. They are great instruments! Have you asked your dealer if they had any 645s still in stock. You might be able to get a real bargain in the process.

Enjoy your journey!

No, the 645 is out of stock.

Thank you very much for the answers.
So I do not need to be concerned about the keyboard of the Yamaha?

To be honest, I forget about the wood bit when I play any piano. But it looks kinda nice and perhaps it has a useful inertia effect which is usable.
But I found the Yamahas action more usable than that on the Kawai which was broadly similar in feel and operation to the FP50 I had.


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Hello tinnkat,

Originally Posted by tinnkat
As an adult beginner should I buy the Yamaha CLP 745 or the Kawai CA 59.

Buy the piano that you prefer.

Originally Posted by tinnkat
I am not sure if the Yamaha has solid wood keys.

EDIT: It's probably best not to comment on other manufacturers' products.

The Kawai action's white and black keys are constructed entirely of wood.

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
The Yamaha action's white keys are constructed of wood and plastic, the black keys are plastic.

The Kawai action's white and black keys are constructed entirely of wood.

Kind regards,
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On the Yamaha page it claims 'solid wood' keys in the CLP-745:
https://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/musical_instruments/pianos/clavinova/clp-745/features.html

Does anyone have a reference that contradicts this?

If you're considering the CLP-745, I would also compare that to the Kawai CA79.

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Originally Posted by Burkey
On the Yamaha page it claims 'solid wood' keys in the CLP-745:
https://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/musical_instruments/pianos/clavinova/clp-745/features.html

Okay.

I should stress that I have not seen an actual "GrandTouch-S" action sample (in pictures nor in person), and am basing my statement on the existing "GrandTouch" keyboard action design.

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The built in audio interface of the CLP could also be a factor depending on your needs - its really cool and Missing from most other digital pianos.

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Originally Posted by Burkey
Originally Posted by Kawai James
The Yamaha action's white keys are constructed of wood and plastic, the black keys are plastic.

The Kawai action's white and black keys are constructed entirely of wood.

Kind regards,
James
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On the Yamaha page it claims 'solid wood' keys in the CLP-745:
https://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/musical_instruments/pianos/clavinova/clp-745/features.html

Does anyone have a reference that contradicts this?

It would be interesting to see if Yamaha upgraded the NWX to wooden black keys for the GrandTouch S. However even the NWX white keys are cut out of solid wood, while the remainder of the action (at the pivot and below the keys) is essentially GH3X.


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