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Re: Piano choice need help today to not lose deal again
Charles Cohen #3032126 10/04/20 08:21 PM
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Thank you for the information on the FP-4f, I know the original price is no indicator, but sometimes it is still a very good keyboard, like what I have heard about the Yamaha P120 and P155 being better than the newer P255, though the P515 is completely different.

Yes I would really like to have something sooner rather than later especialy since we are again in lockdown and the weather is getting cooler.

I did rent the P125 for a month, I liked it found it easier to play and easier to choose the different sounds than the FP30 which I rented subsequently for several months. I rented it as all I had read said it was a better piano. My intention was to use each 1 month and choose between the two of them, but then with COvid, stores closed etc I stuck with the fp 30 for 3 months and just wasn't sure. The action on the FP30 was heavier but felt more real to me, I just found the bass rather muffled with chords, I dont know why they face the speakers downward, if it were upward it would be a much better piano in my opinion. I will try the RD88 but I am not sure it is worth $800 more than the Fp30.

I tried the Kawai Es110 and found the way I play(not great) it was noisey. The higher models were really nice but super expensive.

As for the FP30 with stand not being a great deal. It was a furniture stand with 3 pedals, so new with the piano, here in Montreal it would cost $1160 plus tax, so near new it was a pretty good deal. From what I have seen used pianos go for $100-200 less than the original price even if they are years old and people seem to pay it.

I wish I had a list of what to buy used at what price, vs new.

Your help is so appreciated.

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Re: Piano choice need help today to not lose deal again
Kayron #3032132 10/04/20 08:42 PM
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Don't buy the 3 pedal combo, the single pedals are way more ergonomic for at home practice. The leftmost softpedal is basically useless on a DP, because you have volume control. The center pedal just isn't used in many music, and where it is used, it's not to huge consequence.

Having the single moveable pedal, you feel way more secure and leveraged in your seat with both feet at an even comfortable distance apart.

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Thanks I really only use the one pedal anyways, though many stores tell me it is better more secure to have a furniture stand or a more furniture type of piano, even though I am not sure how often I would be moving it, I still would like the option (if I doo ever go to a cottage to escape ;-) and honestly did not find the regular double x style stand flimsy at all. If i found an older model furniture style piano at a great price I may consider it otherwise I think I would just stick with a portable for now. THough I am not very talented, I just really want to learn and try to create some music. My soul needs it right now.

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Is anyone familiar with the Korg Sp280 a friend recommended it, I never tried it but the specs don't really impress me. It is too bad there is nothing between the $1k and nearly 2k market

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When it comes to Rolands, I'd avoid models with Ivory Feel G. it seems sluggish.

And to clarify, when I talked about MIDI and USB being equally capable for recoding into a computer, I meant for recording MIDI into a computer. If you've got a computer in the equation, you'l probably want to use it to supply a better piano sound for your recording than the buit in piano sound of ANY of the models you are looking at. But if you want to record the actual audio of the piano, you can always do that as well via it's standard outputs into an external audio interface if need be.

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Originally Posted by anotherscott
if you want to record the actual audio of the piano, you can always do that as well via it's standard outputs into an external audio interface if need be.
For the past 15 years most good models have had the ability to either record WAV files directly to a USB drive (e.g. FP-7, 2007) or via USB cable to a computer (e.g. P-125, 2018).

There is zero reason to record audio using last-millennium analogue output technology! It's supposed to be a 'digital' piano after all smile

Roland royally shafted FP-10 & FP-30 owners in this respect - hopefully they rectify this in their upcoming FP-20 / FP-40 models.

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I'm pretty sure the fp30 can record to wave.

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Originally Posted by jeffcat
I'm pretty sure the fp30 can record to wave.
It's always better to be sure than to be 'pretty sure' smile

https://www.roland.com/global/products/fp_series/fp-30/

'Save Format
Standard MIDI Files (Format 0)'

Saving to WAV file is the main feature they charge $500 extra for in the FP-60!

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Sorry, but having owned both, I can say that the RD-88 is in a completely different league than the FP-30.

Cool. 😎

So it's not just the "unnecessary extra features" one is paying for then.

(Unnecessary for just playing piano)

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I was really just looking for advice on the best bang for the buck for a relative beginner that really just wants good feel and sound as well as having a good idea of good value for used models. I did end up losing the 'deal' on the Yamaha P125 yesterday. I'm now a bit confused about the recording feature and what I might need in the future. Thank you again

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Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
Cool. 😎

So it's not just the "unnecessary extra features" one is paying for then.

(Unnecessary for just playing piano)

Even if you never touch the extra features, simply turning it on and playing piano is a whole different experience.

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Originally Posted by Kayron
II'm now a bit confused about the recording feature
What about it is confusing?

With the P-125 you just install the Yamaha USB driver and then you can record to any software you like (e.g. Audacity).

It's the most painless way to record.

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Is anyone familiar with the Korg Sp280 a friend recommended it, I never tried it but the specs don't really impress me. It is too bad there is nothing between the $1k and nearly 2k market
Check out the recent Korg pianos, the C1 and G1 Air. I have the C1 and I just love how the keybed feels (and sounds!). The builtin sound system isn't amazing (polyphony limited to 120 and no string resonance) but it's more than good for the average beginner and I'd venture to say it's decent for an intermediate player as well. The speakers are powerful nonetheless.

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II'm now a bit confused about the recording feature
What about it is confusing?

With the P-125 you just install the Yamaha USB driver and then you can record to any software you like (e.g. Audacity).

It's the most painless way to record.

Thank you for the info. How does it work with the Roland FP-30, it has USB as well. What do I need to look for in terms of recording. For the piano sounds and action, I think I will just go with what feels best to me and I am hoping to get more feedback on best price and bang for the buck on used models. Thank you!

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II'm now a bit confused about the recording feature
What about it is confusing?

With the P-125 you just install the Yamaha USB driver and then you can record to any software you like (e.g. Audacity).

It's the most painless way to record.

The "most painless way to record" is to get a DP which has a _built-in_ audio recorder, that puts a ".WAV" or ".MP3" file onto a thumb drive, which is plugged into a USB jack on the DP.

Some DP's have that feature, and others do not. The P-125 doesn't have it; the P515 does.


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II'm now a bit confused about the recording feature
What about it is confusing?

With the P-125 you just install the Yamaha USB driver and then you can record to any software you like (e.g. Audacity).

It's the most painless way to record.

Thank you for the info. How does it work with the Roland FP-30, it has USB as well.

Actually the Roland FP-30 does not output USB Audio - it only outputs USB MIDI. So there is actually no way at all to get the digital audio out of the FP-30 - this is a major advantage that the P-125 has over it if you plan on transferring recordings to a computer.

Note also that the new Roland models are due out soon to replace the FP-30 (they will probably support USB Audio). Likewise the Kawai ES110 will be replaced soon.

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Cool. 😎

So it's not just the "unnecessary extra features" one is paying for then.

(Unnecessary for just playing piano)

Even if you never touch the extra features, simply turning it on and playing piano is a whole different experience.

Which model were you referring to , please?

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II'm now a bit confused about the recording feature
What about it is confusing?

With the P-125 you just install the Yamaha USB driver and then you can record to any software you like (e.g. Audacity).

It's the most painless way to record.

Thank you for the info. How does it work with the Roland FP-30, it has USB as well.

Actually the Roland FP-30 does not output USB Audio - it only outputs USB MIDI. So there is actually no way at all to get the digital audio out of the FP-30 - this is a major advantage that the P-125 has over it if you plan on transferring recordings to a computer.

Note also that the new Roland models are due out soon to replace the FP-30 (they will probably support USB Audio). Likewise the Kawai ES110 will be replaced soon.

Thanks again. I called Roland today to ask about the digital output, no answer yet and about new models coming out soon, they said they did not know of any yet. I am nw sorry I did not buy the used P-125 for $700 with stand, i thought the Roland was a better instrument. I have the option of buying it used for $600 ($1049 new)

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Cool. 😎

So it's not just the "unnecessary extra features" one is paying for then.

(Unnecessary for just playing piano)

Even if you never touch the extra features, simply turning it on and playing piano is a whole different experience.

Which model were you referring to , please?

I'm talking about the Roland RD-88.

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What are the advantages to the RD-88? I will go try it tomorrow hopefully, but I was surprised to hear today that it has the same action and keybed as the fp 30 and 60 and does not have USB recording capabilities of an inexpensive yamaha p125

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